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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Beauty, Biology - Louise Antony responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ The reason behind human appreciation of beauty is sometimes framed in evolutionary terms; we find a certain body type beautiful because it reflects good health, or we find a blossoming fruit tree beautiful because it can provide us with food. It is impossible to explain modern appreciation for art in simple evolutionary terms because it has been so heavily culturally constructed, any explanation for the evolutionary mechanism behind the appreciation of a Roy Lichtenstein work would be a stretch. But the roots of our contemporary aesthetic sensibilities are in this appreciation for natural beauty, which in turn was grounded in non-aesthetic value.<br><br>But it seems to me like there are so many natural things that we find beautiful that would serve no purpose, or would actually be dangerous. The Sahara desert, poisonous plants or insects, or storms are certainly considered beautiful, but an early human would be ill-advised to seek them out for this reason. Are there other theories as to the origin of our aesthetic sensibilities? Or can this question be answered by a slightly more sophisticated evolutionary explanation?
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Response from: Louise Antony<br />

<blockquote><p>It's very easy to speculate about the evolutionary origins of a trait, but often very difficult to defend such speculations with evidence.  Natural selection is not the only engine of evolutionary change.   So there's no particular reason to think that our capacity for aesthetic pleasure is an adaptation, rather than, say, a by-product of some other trait that is an adaptation, or a "spandrel" -- a feature that is the result of physical constraints on the structure or sub-structure of the organism.  (Remember that in order for there to be natural selection, there has to be variation.  If there's only one way that natural law permits a cognitive or affective structure to develop, then everyone would be the same.)  There are also stochastic processes to consider: genetic drift, or founder effects (some desert-landscape lovers went and settled on an island, while all the desert-landscape haters suffered catastrophe on the mainland.) It's very difficult to figure out what kind of evidence or reasoning could really support one of the possible explanations over another, when we're talking about traits that may have evolved over 100,000 years ago without leaving any tangible signs of themselves.</p><p>Finally, in order to sensibly investigate the evolutionary history of a trait, you need a clear characterization of the trait.  When we talk about "aesthetic appreciation" are we talking about the capacity to discern an aesthetic dimension at all?  Or are we talking about the content of particular aesthetic judgments?  The latter are so historically and interpersonally variable that I see no reason at all to think that they are adaptations.  As for the former, I see no reason to think that our sensibilities are, as you put it, "grounded in non-aesthetic value."  As you yourself note, there is no readily apparent correlation between things many of us find beautiful, and things that are useful in keeping ourselves alive.  </p><p>All that said, you might want to look at Paul Rozin's work on the emotion of disgust (Psychology, University of Pennsylvania), and its relation to some human food preferences and aesthetic judgments.    It's great stuff.<br /></p><p><br /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:04:19 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/2692</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Beauty - Nicholas D. Smith responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ I hear people look at a woman from a distance and exclaim "She is beautiful". I did that myself before. But my experience in relationships with women leaves me with a big question. Is beauty visible? Or what makes a thing beautiful?
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Response from: Nicholas D. Smith<br />

<blockquote><p>Good looks are visible, of course--or else we wouldn't call them "looks."  So, looking at a perfect stranger and declaring that person "beautiful" seems to me obviously to be a judgment about how the person <em>looks</em>.  Looks are, however, just one aspect of a person that can be beautiful, and as the old saying goes, that sort of beauty is "only skin deep."  Unfortunately, a lot of good-looking people are not very beautiful in any way <em>other than</em> the way they look.  </p>  <p>Remember the movie, "A Beautiful Mind"?  I think some minds are beautiful, but obviously that judgment can't be about how the minds <em>look</em>--it would seem to be more about how they <em>work</em>.  I also think that people can have beautiful <em>characters</em>, or other beautiful traits or qualities.  </p>  <p>It seems plausible to think that there might be some beautiful traits or qualities that are really more important or valuable than others, where good looks will be found to be relatively less important than some other characteristics a person has, which are beautiful.  Each sort of beauty, then, would be an example of excellence in the relevant comparison area--so a beautiful mind would be a mind that was excellent at doing the best things that minds do (rather than the worst things).  Good looks are excellence in visual appearance.  Everyone responds to the way things appear--but we also quickly revise our first impressions (if we are intelligent, that is), and good looks are, after all, very superficial as a form of excellence.  Excellence of character seems to me to have more "thickness" or lasting value.</p>  <p>The ancient Greeks had a saying that I love: "chalepa ta kala," which means roughly, "beautiful things (ta kala) are difficult."  I think this is a valuable insight.  Good looks are fairly common.  To be truly beautiful, then, is a rare achievement, and the result of achieving what is difficult, such as becoming a person of excellent character or judgment.</p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:03:53 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/2548</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Beauty, Religion - Richard Heck responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Are there any interesting arguments for the existence of God from the existence of beauty? i.e., because there is beauty, we know there is God?
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Response from: Richard Heck<br />

<blockquote>My understanding is that Kant argued in something like this fashion. Or, at least, that Kant thought that it was through the contemplation of beauty that we could experience the divine. I don't myself see that any sort of real <em>argument</em> will be forthcoming along these lines, but I do understand the sentiment. Certainly there is music that makes me particularly conscious of God: Plenty of Coltrane, for example. But for myself, I think my deepest sense of the divine emerges from contemplation of the men and women who have made great contributions towards the emergence of justice in the world. To me, that is, the best argument for the existence of God is the existence of people like Dr Martin Luther King, Jr. I don't expect that to be convincing to anyone else, though.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:51:47 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1928</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Beauty - Allen Stairs responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Why do we enjoy the beautiful?  Or, what is the nature of aesthetic appreciation (it seems like a special type of enjoyment)?
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Response from: Allen Stairs<br />

<blockquote><p>On the one hand, it seems safe to say that not all aesthetic appreciation is enjoyment. There are some works of art that are profoundly disturbing, and yet we still value them. An example: I remember vividly the first time I saw one of Ad Reinhardt's large black canvases. I was taken by surprise: I didn't expect to have much of a reaction, and yet I felt something for which the  word "despair" is about the best label I can come up with. I found the experience moving, but it feels wrong to call it enjoyable.</p><p>Still, there are other works of art that we do enjoy and that are beautiful. So let's turn to those.</p><p>Take an example of  some work that you find beautiful -- perhaps the third movement of Beethoven's opus 132 A Minor quartet. If someone asked  "Why do you enjoy listening to that?" saying "Because it's so beautiful" would be a perfectly good answer, though there's a great deal more that one could add. If your friend then asked "But why do you enjoy beautiful things?" you might find the question a bit perverse. One can imagine replying "So I should enjoy nasty things instead?" </p><p>The larger point is that beauty is a "response dependent" property. The idea that something could be beautiful apart from all possible responses to it is hard to fathom. More to the point, it's at least plausible that the capacity for eliciting a kind of <em>enjoyment </em>is part of what it is for something to be beautiful. In that case, there's a conceptual connection between beauty and enjoyment. Of course, the person experiencing a beautiful object must have the capacity to respond -- not everyone "gets" Beethoven's music, for instance -- but beauty still isn't something that floats free of all possible responses. (You might also have a look at <a href="http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1788" target="_blank">question 1788</a>.)</p><p>There's yet another question we might ask. It may be that all beautiful things have something in common that we can describe, say, in purely formal terms -- no reference to responses, and no mention of beauty as such. We could then ask: why do we find things with those formal properties enjoyable? That's a perfectly good question, but alas, not one that philosophers are in a particularly good position to answer. It's something in the way we're wired, as we might say, but what it is about our wiring and how it came to be that way is a question for the sciences.<br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:20:20 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1867</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Beauty - Peter S. Fosl responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ What is it that separates something that looks bad from something that looks good? What is it that determines whether it's ugly or beautiful?
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Response from: Peter S. Fosl<br />

<blockquote>There seems to be no single property or feature of things that makes them look good or bad.  Different things will look good or bad for different reasons in different contexts.  A sculpture might look good for one reason and a painting for another.  A sculpture might look good in the contexts of academia or fine art but bad as an sacred object in a religious context or as an ornament in the contexts of home or office.  A scuplture of one period or sub-genre or culture might look for reasons different from those that make the sculpture of another period or sub-genre or culture. In general, however, I'd say this.  Looking good or bad will involve (a) the qualities of the object itself (its color, shape, texture, proportions, etc.), (b) the relationship of the object to its immediate environment or setting, © the relationship it has to other objects of its kind, both not and historically; and (d) the context of meanings and criteria that those who are judging the object bring to their assessment of it.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:19:05 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1846</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Beauty - Allen Stairs responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ We are often told that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. <br><br>But I wonder if this is not an over-simplification. Surely some things are beautiful regardless of our response to that beauty. <br><br>Is there not a case to be made for completely objective beauty?
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Response from: Allen Stairs<br />

<blockquote><p>This much seems plausible: whether something is beautiful doesn't depend on the <em>actual</em> responses that anyone has. It might be that no one has seen the thing. It might be that everyone who's seen it so far doesn't have the discrimination to appreciate it. It may be that no one who's ever been born or even <em>will</em> be born will have that capacity. All of that could be true, and yet the object might still be beautiful. But does that mean that it's beautiful apart from all <em>possible</em> responses? </p><p>I don't think so. Does this make sense?</p><blockquote><p>Object X is beautiful, but no sentient creature that the universe could possibly produce would <em>find</em> X beautiful.<br /></p></blockquote><p>I have a bit of trouble understanding what it would mean here to say that X really is beautiful. And if that's right, it suggests (as many philosophers are inclined to think) that whatever exactly beauty may be, it has something to do with the kinds of responses that the right sort of creature <em>would </em>have upon contemplating it. That's not a definition, but it does seem to be a plausible constraint.</p><p>Notice that this doesn't make beauty a merely subjective matter. It can be an objective fact that a certain object has the capacity to evoke a certain sort of response in a certain kind of creature. But whatever else we might need to say to provide an account of beauty, it's hard to see how the story could be told without any reference even to hypothetical responses.<br /></p><body /></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:19:43 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1788</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Beauty - Peter Lipton responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ If you told a joke in the forest, and no one was there to hear it, would it be funny?
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Response from: Peter Lipton<br />

<blockquote>Nice question. I guess it depends on how good the joke is. No, seriously, your question is a good riff on what seems to be the non-philosophers’ paradigm of a philosophical question, namely, ‘If a tree falls in the forest and there is nobody there to hear it, does it make a noise?’. I have to confess that when I first heard this I wasn’t at all sure what philosophical question it is asking, but I now take it that it is a question about the nature of sound. Is sound really just the experience of sound? Then if there is nobody around, there is no noise. But if sound is say really vibrations in the air, then the forest is noisy even when nobody is around.<br /><br />So what is nature of funniness? Maybe a joke is funny if it has the disposition to make people laugh. One consequence of this view is that jokes are funny even when they are not being told, because the disposition is there even when it is not being manifested. It’s just like pipe cleaners, which are flexible even when they are not being bent. So on this view, the joke you told in the forest is funny even if nobody was around to hear it. If it is a good joke, that is.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:00:06 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1778</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Art, Beauty - Thomas Pogge responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Trois questions...<br><br>Are there any influential essays on aesthetics which deal with modern rather than fine art? I have just read Kant's "Critique of aesthetic judgment" and Hume's "Of the standard of taste", which made me want to read more recent treatments of the debate. <br><br>In your opinion, is aesthetics necessarily linked to visual art, or could the term equally be applied to music and literature? <br><br>Finally, how far is aesthetic appreciation informed by intuition, and how much by logic (in the case of visual art - the golden mean, composition, etc)? Is there any consensus on this?<br><br>Thank you.
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Response from: Thomas Pogge<br />

<blockquote><p>1. Yes, there is much interesting philosophical work on modern art. I would start with Arthur Danto, who has written many interesting essays (often for the <em>Nation</em>) and a few fascinating books on the topic.</p>  <p>2. The term <em>aesthetics i</em>s certainly applied to music -- see Theodor Adorno and currently Lydia Goehr and Peter Kivy for example -- as well as to poetry. Less frequently to literature, but this is presumably because there aesthetic quality is typically a less important component of overall quality (esp. outside fiction).</p>  <p>3. "Logic" is perhaps not quite the right word for what you have in mind here. Perhaps "rules"? I would think that aesthetic judgments are intuitive judgments, and that any rules laid down for composition or appreciation have standing only insofar as they are confirmed by intuitive judgments. (Intuitive judgments may differ, as they did in respect to the atonal works of Arnold Schönberg, for instance, and judgments about rules will then differ correspondingly.) To what extent can our intuitive aesthetic judgments be expressed in rules? This question has been quite interestingly addressed in modern times by reference to the apparently quite fundamental distinction between objects that are and objects that are not works of art. Is there a rule for drawing this distinction? Marcel Duchamp raised this question dramatically when, in 1917, he took an ordinary white gentlemen's urinal, called it Fountain, signed it, and put it on display. In 1962, Andy Warhol began displaying Campbell soup cans. The debate about what is art, and what is good art, is ongoing; and Arthur Danto's work offers an excellent entry into this debate. </p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:24:44 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1769</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Beauty - Oliver Leaman responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Could aesthetics be considered an aspect of intuition? Or is the philosophical definition of intuition more specific? (I'm basing this on Herbert Spencer out of context, so you know ("Opinion is ultimately determined by the feelings, and not by the intellect").)<br><br>Thank you.
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Response from: Oliver Leaman<br />

<blockquote>There certainly does seem to be something subjective and based on feelings in our response to questions of beauty etc. but whether this is ultimately what determines our judgments seems dubious to me. If it were then argument and persuasion in aesthetics would be very limited, but it is not. One can quite easily have one's mind changed on the aesthetic qualities of something, and that is not a result of a sudden change in feeling, but in reason changing our feelings. So I think Spencer's comment here is implausible.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:03:10 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1739</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Beauty, Feminism - Jerrold Levinson responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Bonjour,  I am considered an attractive 26 year old woman. I have at times been asked to model but never have. I find our culture's obsession with beauty unappealing and it has led me to sort of play down my beauty in dress. Should I be worried or at least concious of society and its issues around beauty? Or should I just strive to be the most beautiful I can be, disregarding other things, purely for the sake of aesthetics?
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Response from: Jerrold Levinson<br />

<blockquote><p>I don't disagree with the first respondent, but I'll give you a somewhat different response, and taking my cue from the 'Bonjour' with which you open, will give it en français. (If the cue was misleading, I'll be happy to translate subsequently!) Premièrement, la beauté est une chose rare et précieuse, et ceux ou celles qui s'en réjouissent ne devrait jamais se sentir coupable à son égard. Deuxièmement, même si la beauté n'était qu'une affaire d'esthétique, qui dit que l'esthétique est moins importante que l'éthique, ou que l'esthétique ne comprend pas, d'une certaine optique, un aspect éthique? (Certainement pas Kant!)  Troisièmement, personne n'arrive vraiment à négliger ou à nier complètement les valeurs de la societé entourante; de plus, ces valeurs ne sont jamais avec du moins une certaine justification. Quatrièmement, c'est vrai que la beauté ouvre beaucoup de portes qui autrement resteraient fermées, mais ce n'est pas la sagesse de refuser d'y entrer pour cette raison seule; on n'a que d'y entrer avec circonspection, et sans aveuglement. Cinquièmement, pour en finir, je dirais que la vie de mannequin n'est pas, tout bien consideré, une vie souhaitable, mais qu'on peut quand même tirer de la satisfaction du fait qu'on vous l'avait proposée...</p><p>Put otherwise: First, beauty is a rare and precious thing, and those who possess it should never be made to feel guilty about it. Secondly, even if beauty is only an aesthetic matter, who says that aesthetics is less important than ethics, or at any rate, that aesthetics does not include, viewed from a certain angle, an ethical aspect? (Certainly not Kant!) Thirdly, no one can entirely succeed in ignoring or denying the values of the society around them, and those values are also never without at least some justification. Fourthly, it's true that beauty opens many a door that would otherwise remain closed, but it's not wise to refuse to enter them just for that reason, provided one enters circumspectly and without self-deception. Fifthly, to conclude, I would say that the life of a model is not, all things considered, something to wish for, but even so, one can derive some satisfaction from the fact of having been asked...<br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 15:08:27 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1743</link>
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