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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Color, Mind - William Rapaport responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ I have a question about colors. I always wonder if other people see the same color as I see. For example, we can agree that apple's color is red, but is it possible that we are refering to different colors as RED?
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Response from: William Rapaport<br />

<blockquote>First, take a look at <a href="http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/2384" target="_blank" title="question 2384">Question 2384</a> and its answers, which are closely related to your question.  Your question is related to what is called the "inverted spectrum", a philosophical puzzle posed by John Locke, one version of which is this:  Is it possible that objects that have the color you describe as "red" are seen by me as if they had the color you describe as "green", even though I also describe them as red, and vice versa?  Posing the problem is difficult; e.g., objects arguably don't "have" colors, but reflect light of certain wavelengths, which are perceived by us as certain colors.  "Is the color that I perceive as, and call, red the same as the color that you perceive as what I call blue?" is another way of posing the puzzle.  Part of the problem is that there doesn't seem to be any way to decide what the answer is (if, indeed, it has an answer).  What experiment would decide between these?  Perhaps such color-perceptions (more generally, what are called "qualia") are such that a functionally complete theory of the mind (or brain) would not enable us to distinguish between them.  For more on this, see the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy article on "<a title="Inverted Qualia" target="_blank" href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qualia-inverted/">Inverted Qualia</a>".</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:39:50 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/2613</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Color, Perception - William Rapaport responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Can a person who was born blind know what "red" looks like?  Is there any way you can explain it to him/her so that he/she can perceive it the way we do?
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Response from: William Rapaport<br />

<blockquote>There are two different, but related, issues here, on neither of which is there universal agreement among philosophers (but, then again, is there ever?).<br><br>First, there's "Molyneux's problem":  Can a person born blind who later gains sight distinguish a cube from a sphere merely by sight (assuming the person could distinguish between them by touch)?  There's some empirical evidence that the answer is "no".  The psychologist Richard Gregory has investigated this.<br><br>But closer to your specific question is the philosopher Frank Jackson's thought experiment about "Mary", a color scientist who lives in a completely black-and-white world but who is the world's foremost expert on color perception.  She has never experienced red.  Would she learn anything if she experienced it for the first time?  I.e., is there anything "phenomenal" to the experience of red over and above what physics can tell us?  Jackson originally argued that there was, i.e., that Mary would learn something from the experience of red, namely, what it's like to see red, but he has recently changed his mind.  The novelist David Lodge has explored the Mary story in his novel <em>Thinks....</em><br><br>For more on Jackson's thought experiment, see the anthology edited by Peter Ludlow, Y. Nagasawa, and D. Stoljar, <em>There's Something about Mary </em>(MIT Press, 2004).<br /><br /></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:05:51 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/2463</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Color - Jonathan Westphal responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ I have always thought that with the primary colors and black and white, you can create any color that we see.  This may sound dumb, but then how do you make neon colors?  What else can you add other than the previously mentioned colors (or lack of)?
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Response from: Jonathan Westphal<br />

<blockquote>Do you think that colours emitted by neon gas have a particular neon quality? I'm not sure. But your question could very well be asked of the metallic colours, such as silver and gold. They are not "made" by any combination of primaries, so how are they made?</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:22:20 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1675</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Color, Mind - Jonathan Westphal responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Is there any objective, scientific way to prove that we all see colours the same?  I know it's one thing for two people to point at an object and agree on its colour, even the particular shade, but there's no way that I can tell whether or not the next person in line sees everything in shades of greys, or in negative.  We can even study how light interacts with objects and enters our eyes, without truly knowing if one person would see everything the same if he suddenly were able to see though another's eyes.  So, is there any proof that we all do see colours the same? Maybe even proof or evidence to the contrary? If that's so, I must say that you're all missing something great from where I can see.  
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Response from: Jonathan Westphal<br />

<blockquote>There are objective scientific tests which show that we <em>don't</em> all see colours the same, such as the Ishihara test for colour vision. Most people don't even see the same "colours" out of both eyes. For many people the left eye might see things more saturated than the right. <br /><br>The question should also perhaps be refined a bit. Shouldn't it be formulated as whether we see things (objects, surfaces, volumes etc.) in the same colours? "Do we see colours the same?" as it stands seems to mean, "Do you see red as I see red?" But this presupposes that we are both seeing red, and then the question seems to ask whether we see it the same way, for example with the same degree of saturation or exactly as blue.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:00:00 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/2384</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Color, Mind - Richard Heck responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Is there any objective, scientific way to prove that we all see colours the same?  I know it's one thing for two people to point at an object and agree on its colour, even the particular shade, but there's no way that I can tell whether or not the next person in line sees everything in shades of greys, or in negative.  We can even study how light interacts with objects and enters our eyes, without truly knowing if one person would see everything the same if he suddenly were able to see though another's eyes.  So, is there any proof that we all do see colours the same? Maybe even proof or evidence to the contrary? If that's so, I must say that you're all missing something great from where I can see.  
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Response from: Richard Heck<br />

<blockquote><p>This is a much discussed question, which often appears in the guise of the "<a href="http://www.science.uva.nl/~seop/entries/qualia-inverted/" target="_blank">inverted spectrum hypothesis</a>": One might wonder whether some other person sees what you see as red the way you see green, etc. It turns out it can't be quite that simple, but one might nonetheless wonder whether we do all see colors the same way.</p><p align="left">In fact, Ned Block has argued that there is some empirical evidence that we <em>don't</em> all see colors the same way. (See <a href="http://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/philo/faculty/block/papers/sexism.html" target="_blank">this paper</a>.) It goes without saying that this is very controversial.<br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:00:00 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/2384</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Color - Oliver Leaman responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ When trying to imagine a completely new colour, similar to those that already exist in brightness - a basic new colour - but one that has never been percieved before - it is antaginizingly impossible. Is this merely a demonstration of the determinism of reality - that there is what there is, and nothing more?
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Response from: Oliver Leaman<br />

<blockquote>This is one of the issues that perplexed Wittgenstein in his work on colour. The fact that there just seem to be the colours that there are looks like a synthetic a priori proposition, necessary in some sense, but describing matters of fact. Yet colours have often been taken to be good examples of what empiricist philosophers called secondary qualities, features of reality that may be experienced in different ways  by different people. How then can we lay down as a rule that there will be no other colours? Wittgenstein argues to a degree that we have this colour system and it is fixed in the way it is right now, and so thinking about new colours does not really make sense within the framework of that colour system. But then he also argues that we could not make sense of the idea of people going to the moon, given our system of physics, and not only can we make sense of this, it has even happened. It rather depends on whether you think that our colour system is an interconnected network of meanings that cannot be broken or changed without radical alteration to what we mean by colour itself, or whether you think it is more like a scientific system. What is fascinating about colour is that it seems to be both, something that Wittgenstein invites us to reflect on.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:41:07 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/2007</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Color - Saul Traiger responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ I have always thought that with the primary colors and black and white, you can create any color that we see.  This may sound dumb, but then how do you make neon colors?  What else can you add other than the previously mentioned colors (or lack of)?
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Response from: Saul Traiger<br />

<blockquote>Neon red is simply red light emittedfrom an enclosed clear transparent vacuum tube containing the element neon, towhich an electrical current is applied. Neon actually emits a red-orange color.Other colors can be obtained by introducing other gases in the enclosure andalso by changing the color of the tube. What you may be asking about is thedistinctive glow emitted from a neon tube. The red of a neon tubeappears different from the red of a painted surface, for example. Differentmaterials emit or reflect red light in different ways, and our visual system issensitive to many of those differences.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:22:20 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1675</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Color - Louise Antony responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ If eyes had never evolved, would LIGHT still exist (or: be manifest)? By this I do not mean: would there still be electromagnetic radiation of a certain range of wavelengths (there would, of course). Rather, I mean: in the absence of eyes, would there still be brightness, luminance, illumination (i.e. what we ordinarily call 'light')? <br><br>I am aware of course that, according to physics, light simply IS electromagnetic radiation of a certain range of frequencies. However, does this mean that things are, so to speak, illuminated "in themselves"? Or, contrariwise, is it the case that, in order to get what we ORDINARILY call 'light' (brightness, luminance etc., as opposed to Maxwell's equations), we must also take into account the way that electromagnetic waves excite our rods and cones etc.? <br><br>In other words, without eyes -- and, therefore, without VISIBILITY -- would the entire universe remain 'in the dark'? Does it indeed make any sense to speak of the universe being either 'dark' or 'illuminated' in the absence of vision and visibility? Or -- to speak more generally -- would there be any 'phenomena' (i.e. would anything be 'manifest'), without a subject or dative TO WHOM they appear/manifest themselves?  <br><br>Any suggestions for reading on this issue -- especially scientifically informed literature -- would be greatly appreciated.   
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Response from: Louise Antony<br />

<blockquote><p>I think you've pretty much answered your own question.   You see (get it?) that light could exist even in the absence of any creatures sensitive to it.  And of course in such a situation, there would be no one and nothing <em>experiencing</em> the light.  So is anything <em>visible</em>?  "Visible," like many English words that end in "ible,"  "able," "uble," or "ile," picks out what philosophers call a "disposition"  -- a condition of being ready, so to speak, to cause certain things to happen, or to undergo certain changes,  if certain conditions are met.  Salt is sol<em>uble</em> -- that means that <em>if</em> it's put into a pot of water, <em>then</em> it will dissolve.  Waterford crystal is frag<em>ile</em> -- if you drop it, it will break.  Similarly, to call an object vis<em>ible</em> is to say that <em>if</em> it is illuminated, and <em>if</em> a creature that is sensitive to light points its sensitive parts toward the object, <em>then</em> the object will cause the creature to have visual experiences (by bouncing the light onto the creature's eyes in a particular pattern).</p><p> The thing about dispositional properties is that objects can have them even if and while the "activating" conditions are not being met.  The salt is soluble even while it's sitting in the carton (that's why you want to store it in a dry place -- if it weren't soluble, it wouldn't matter.)  And the Waterford crystal is fragile even while it's sitting on the dining table (that's why you need to be careful with it.  In fact, best not to use the good crystal at all.)  Similarly -- and here comes the answer to your question, finally: things in the universe can be <em>visible</em> even if there's no one around for them to cause visual experiences in. </p><p>Now you wanted a little science, so here's a little science.  It's an interesting question, part scientific, and part philosophical, whether <em>color</em> is a dispositional property of things.  It turns out that color perception is amazingly complicated, and that it is not just a reaction to or detection of  simple physical property.  The physical property of objects that comes closest to being the objective basis of color is "spectral reflectance" -- a dispositional property of surfaces to reflect incident light in different patterns of wavelengths.  But there are different combinations of wavelengths that will be perceived by human beings as the same hue.  So what's color?  Is it just the dispostional property of producing  the effect of color <em>perception</em> in human beings (or other perceivers)?  But in that case, the set of physical structures that have the property of being, say, teal is not going to be picked out by some objective physical property they all share, but rather by reference to the "teal-effects" they produce in us.  That's different than the situation is with light, and it's lead some philosophers to conclude that color is really in the eye of the beholder.  I think that view is wrong, because I think a set of physical structures still has something objectively in common if they all have a common power.  But there's a lot of disagreement about this whole thing.</p><p> If you'd like to learn the details of the color debate, as well as some serious color science, here are two recommendations for further reading: the entry on "Color" in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy:  <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/color/">http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/color/</a> and a book called <em>Color for Philosophers</em> by C. L. Hardin.<br /></p><p><br /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><br /></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><br /> </p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:03:11 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1487</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Color - Thomas Pogge responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ It is legitimate to say that tomatoes instantiate the property red.<br><br>But is it also legitimate to say that tomatoes "cause" the instantiation of the property red? <br><br>Thank you.
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Response from: Thomas Pogge<br />

<blockquote><p>One might say that a person causes the property <em>kind</em> to be instantiated when she decides to perform a kind act: She causes there to be a kind act.</p>  <p>But we cannot really say anything like this about static objects. The stone does not cause heaviness to be instantiated, the relationship between stone and heaviness is too close for this. Something heavy comes into existence together with the stone. The stone does not cause its own existence, so it does not cause the instantiation of the property <em>heavy.</em></p>  <p>Now a tomato is unlike a stone in that it changes (its color turns from green to red) and also unlike a person in that it does not make decisions about how to be. The latter discrepancy seems to me less significant when we are speaking about causality. Considering a tomato plant we can, I believe, say both that it causally produces fruits that eventually mature to the point where they are red (thus causes the property <em>red</em> to be instantiated) and also that it instantiates this property (when parts of it are ripe fruits). I feel less confident about saying this about a tomato that matures on your window sill. It instantiated <em>green</em> yesterday. It instantiates <em>red</em> today. But we would be inclined to say that processes in the tomato, not the tomato itself, (together with external factors such as warmth) caused the change in color. This inclination, however, may be a mere convention: Changes in persons and tomatoes can be caused by processes within them. And there seems to be no deeper reason why we should be prepared to say in the first case, but not in the second, that the change in X was caused by X.</p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:40:31 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/961</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Color, Time - Andrew N. Carpenter responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ I was once asked at a University PPE interview, Does time have a colour? I found it both extremely interesting and baffling. My opinion was that as time was not a physical property it could not have a colour yet I questioned myself countless times. What's your opinion - could time have a colour?<br><br>K(17)
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Response from: Andrew N. Carpenter<br />

<blockquote><p>I suspect the point of this question was to see whether you could articulate the idea of a "category error," that is a statement that is syntactically correct but is nonsense because its predicate cannot meaningfully be attributed to its subject.</p><p> If this is what the interviewer had in mind, your answer was essentially correct  but could have been stronger if you had explained that this was one example of a more general problem.  If your interview was at an Oxford college, you probably would have earned bonus points if you had referred to Gilbert Ryle's classic discussion of category errors.<br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:24:45 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/934</link>
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