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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Knowledge, Mind - Stephen Maitzen responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ If thoughts depend on memories and memories are unreliable then how can we trust any thought? I assume thoughts require memories because thoughts seem to require at least some time to compute, even with very simple thoughts we think thing one at a time - if it's not quite like that I think it's very close to something like that, maybe my whole doubt depends on a dubious connection between thought and memory, I don't know. I think the unreliability of memory is more obvious, memory seems to be something just given to us and we simply have to "trust" it but the possibility of doubt is still there. I recognize that there is some not inconsiderable paradox in doubting the very idea of being able to form a thought and using thought to achieve that doubt but alas... I wonder if this suggests that thought in its truest form is something more intuitive and directly related to a grasp of the present moment than reason as it is generally understand as a discursive process. 
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Response from: Stephen Maitzen<br />

<blockquote>Thanks for your question.  I'd distinguish the undeniable claim that memory is <em>fallible </em>from the less plausible claim that memory is <em>unreliable</em>.  I'm no psychologist, but it seems that the reliability of memory comes in degrees, depending on who's using it, under what conditions, and what its content is.  The kind of remembering described in your question -- remembering what I was thinking just an instant ago -- doesn't seem especially unreliable, under favorable conditions anyway.  Furthermore, we logically presuppose the reliability of memory in general even as we check whether some particular memory of ours is false: We ask those who are better-positioned what <em>they </em>remember, we trust that we correctly remember the meanings of words they use in their answers or the meanings of words we read in contemporaneous accounts of the event, and so on.  Indeed, if we persist for any length of time in our belief that memory is fallible, that too depends on trusting our memory: it presupposes that we correctly remember that memory led us astray at least once in the past.  So there seem to be limits to how sweeping any rational doubts about memory can become.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:39:06 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4490</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Mind - Richard Heck responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ What would a robot have to be able to do, or what would it have to be, for us to consider it a sentient being as opposed to a non-sentient automaton?<br><br>Please note I am using the term "robot" here in a broad sense, including such obviously sentient (fictional) constructs such as C-3PO of Star Wars fame.  I don't consider "robot" and "sentient being" to be mutually exclusive terms.  I'm interested in what fundamentally distinguishes sentient beings from automatons that merely mimic sentience.
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Response from: Richard Heck<br />

<blockquote><p>The other classic paper on this issue is <a target="_blank" href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/turing/">Alan Turing</a>'s "Computing Machinery and Intelligence", from 1950, which articulates what has come to be known as the "<a target="_blank" href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/turing-test/">Turing Test</a>". Turing's idea was to set up an experiment. A modern version might use some kind of internet chat program. You are talking with two other "people". One really is a person. The other is a computer. You can talk to them for as long as you like, about whatever you like. Then if you can't tell the difference, Turing says, the computer is intelligent. Obviously, this is, at first blush, what Andrew calls an "epistemological" approach to the problem, but Turing doesn't see it just that way.</p><p>Let me mention, by the way, that 2012 is also the "<a target="_blank" href="http://www.turingcentenary.eu/">Alan Turing Year</a>", celebrating the 100th anniversary of his birth. Turing had a very interesting, and tragic, life. Not only was he one of the founders of modern computer science, he put his genius to work for the British military during World War II and <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptanalysis_of_the_Enigma">helped crack the German codes</a>. The tragic part lies in Turing's being prosecuted for homosexuality in 1952 and then being forced to take female hormones as "treatment" instead of being sent to prison. He committed suicide in 1954, at the age of 41.<br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:37:15 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4470</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Mind - Andrew Pessin responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ What would a robot have to be able to do, or what would it have to be, for us to consider it a sentient being as opposed to a non-sentient automaton?<br><br>Please note I am using the term "robot" here in a broad sense, including such obviously sentient (fictional) constructs such as C-3PO of Star Wars fame.  I don't consider "robot" and "sentient being" to be mutually exclusive terms.  I'm interested in what fundamentally distinguishes sentient beings from automatons that merely mimic sentience.
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Response from: Andrew Pessin<br />

<blockquote><p>This is a great question, and one with a very long history.  There's a key ambiguity in it though, that should be clarified at the start:  'what would it have to be for us to consider it sentient?' might be read metaphysically or epistemologically.  To read it metaphysically is to ask what, in fact, is sufficient for the robot to be sentient; to read it epistemologically is to ask what evidence would be sufficient for us, or any third party, to<em> judge</em> that the robot is sentient.  The difference is important because it might be that there is some essential feature to sentience, but it is not one which would ever allow us to judge with any confidence/reliability that some creature other than ourselves possesses it. ....</p><p> That said, a good starting point for you would be Descartes's Discourse on Method, where he argues (in brief) that the possession of genuine linguistic competence and general rationality are marks of the 'mental', or of 'sentience' broadly construed; he holds that no purely mechanical/physical account could ever explain why a creature demonstrates those properties, and while his account is dated, there's no question that 'language' and 'reason' remain very challenging things even today, for researchers in Artificial Intelligence to instantiate in 'robots.'  Then, after Descartes, skip a few centuries and read John Searle's famous and controversial paper, "Minds, Brains, and Programs" originally in the journal Behavioral and Brain Sciences, in 1980 -- which set of a decades-long debate over whether any computer or computer program could ever actually instantiate mental states (as opposed to merely mimic them).  If you read that paper, and then google 'responses to Searle's Minds Brains Programs' (or more generally 'responses to Searle's Chinese Room Thought Experiment') you will get plenty for you to chew over as you contemplate your excellent question!</p><p> hope that's a useful start --</p><p>ap<br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:37:15 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4470</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Mind - Charles Taliaferro responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ What is the difference between the idea that we can control our bodies in conformity with our will and magic? Aren't they suspiciously similar ideas?
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Response from: Charles Taliaferro<br />

<blockquote>Wonderful question!<br><br>There are some philosophers who are very committed to a form of determinism that rules out free agency and a thesis that seems quite contrary to common sense, namely that the self is an illusion or construct and not a real, substantial individual thing.  For some of these philosophers, the idea that one might freely control one's body or one's agency is the equivalent of thinking we can do magic.  I think Owen Flanagen believes that radical free will (in which a person could engage in libertarian free will) is like magic, and Daniel Dennett as well.  But many of us are on the other side and believe that it is natural and plausible to think that we can act and have the power not to act in ways that are morally responsible or blameworthy.  For a great book on this, check out Mawson's Free Will; A Guide for the Perplexed or Daniel Robinson's book On Praise and Blame.  <br><br>Going on a bit further on the themes in you question magic and control I suppose the concept of the magical today is treated along the lines of miracles.  A magical event (of the Harry Potter variety) is probably thought of as an event that someone brings about intentionally in a way that supersedes or goes beyond the non-magical, ordinary laws or course of nature.  Magic, in this view, would involve a kind of extension of one's powers, so that under ordinary conditions it is not magic when I type this response, but it would be magic if I made these words appear to you in a dream (without using anything more than an incantation)!  But you are right that what we think of as magic and control over our bodies does involve something in common: intentionality.  In both cases, we intentionally bring about some state of affairs.  In that sense, maybe they are "suspiciously similar ideas" though I suspect that there is nothing suspicious per se about acting intentionally.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 16:36:21 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4474</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Biology, Mind - Miriam Solomon responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ The idea underlying many concepts of illness is that something has gone wrong with a biological system and some part of that system which has gone awry must be restored to it's proper function. The proper function of a biological systems is usually whatever allows that entity to live, breathe, exerts it muscles freely and vigorously without pain. When it comes to mental illness we extend that idea of proper functioning to anything that causes mental distress and is presumably due to biological problems with the brain. However there seems to me that something about that way of thinking is flawed because while it seems obvious when biological systems are disrupted rather than acting their natural course it does not seem obvious that mental distress is a product of biological aberrations. It seems rather like it is plausible that that is the normal course of life for humans even if that misery has a biological explanation.. So isn't mental illness essentially a flawed concept?
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Response from: Miriam Solomon<br />

<blockquote>The definition of "illness" that you are using was originally developed by Christopher Boorse, and many others who have looked for an "objective" concept of illness have also adopted it.  You are correct to say that on this view, all illness, including mental illness, is due to some dysfunction.  And you are correct to note that we do not know (for most mental illnesses) whether or not there is a brain dysfunction.  In fact, some have suggested that depression can be a functional response to failure and/or loss.<br /><br>Different concepts of illness are worth considering here.  For example, "subjective" concepts in which "illness" is defined as an undesirable or unwanted state.  According to such definitions, there is mental illness when there is (serious)mental distress (since distress is undesirable or unwanted).<br /><br>In practice, much can hang on whether or not something is labelled an "illness": medical treatment, insurance reimbursement, sympathy, excuses, responsibility, etc.  That's really too bad, in my opinion, because "illness" is such a flimsy concept!</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:20:12 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4442</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Mind - William Rapaport responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Does the Turing test, the attempt to verify the proposition "Machines can think" through an 'imitation game', come down to a confusion over "like" and "identical with"? i.e can I say the following "If it is like x is thinking, therefore what x is doing is identical to thinking"?
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Response from: William Rapaport<br />

<blockquote>That's one interpretation, but there are many others.  My favorite interpretation focuses on this passage in Turing's classic 1950 essay, "Computing Machinery and Intelligence" (Mind 59:433-460):<br /><br />   <strong>  I believe that at the end of the century the use of words and general educated opinion will have altered so much that one will be able to speak of machines thinking without expecting to be contradicted.<br /></strong><br />Of course, that century ended around the year 2000, and Turing's predicted "alteration" hasn't yet happened.  But that's beside the point.  Turing's claim, according to this passage, is that, if computers (better:  computational cognitive agents or robots) pass Turing tests, then we will eventually change our beliefs about what it means to think (we will generalize the notion so that it applies to computational cognitive agents and robots as well as humans), and we will change the way we use words like 'think' (in much the same way that we have generalized what it means to fly or to be a computer, and have changed the way we use those words:  Once upon a time, only animals like birds flew; now airplanes do, too.  And once upon a time, only humans were computers; now machines are, too.  (Take a look at an <a href="http://tinyurl.com/NYT-ComputerWanted" target="_blank" title="ad for computer in NY Times">ad for a "computer" in The New York Times from 1892</a>)<br /><br />For more discussion, see:<br /><br />James H. Moor (ed.), <em>The Turing Test:  The Elusive Standard of Artificial Intelligence</em> (Dordrecht:  Kluwer, 2003)<br /><br />Shieber, Stuart M. (ed.) (2004), <em>The Turing Test: Verbal Behavior as the Hallmark of Intelligence</em> (Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press).</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:00:33 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4394</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Mind - Amy Kind responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ if two people share a thought triggered by there shared experience of a similar situation/stimuli and/or genetic wiring (i.e. there is a causl relationship between there responses), would this be considered telepatahy? for example if two people looked at a work of art and at the same time thought to themselves the word "amazing" this would surely not be considered telepathic, as it is a very common response.  But why shouldn't it be considered telepathy if they share the same thought and there is a causal relationship? I'm not saying that people can read each others thoughts outright, but that similar thought patterns are brought on by similar situations and/or genetic makeup (I won't get into nature vs nurture).     
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Response from: Amy Kind<br />

<blockquote><p>After reading this question, I first tried to transmit my answer to you telepathically, but it wasn't working, so I thought I'd try this more traditional method.</p>  <p>In any case, it strikes me that in order for something to count as telepathy, one would have to have some sort of direct and unmediated access to the thoughts of another.   Suppose Jane and Clone Jane both go see a movie and, because they have identical genetic makeups and (let's suppose) similar past experiences, they each think something like "The ending would have been more emotionally satisfactory had the hero not gotten killed."  Each of them is having the thought for the same reason, but they are each having it independently.  That is, Jane's thought has no causal connection to Clone Jane's thought, and Jane does not have any direct access to Clone Jane's thought.  And vice versa/  Their thoughts have similar (parallel) explanations, but no direct linkage to one another.  So I don't see why this should count as a form of telepathy.</p>  <p>One way to put the point:  Though Jane and Clone Jane "share a thought" in the sense that they each have an independent mental state with identical content, they do not "share a thought" in the sense that they each have access to the very same mind/brain state.</p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 12:16:06 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4328</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Mind, Science - Miriam Solomon responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Sigmund Freud told of a Jewish women who dreamt that a stranger handed her a comb. The women desired to marry a Christian man which triggered an emotional argument with her mother on the night prior to her dream. When Freud asked her what memories she associated with the word comb the woman told him that once her mother had once told her not to use a separate comb because she would "mix the breed." Freud then revealed that the meaning of the dream was an expression of her own latent wish to "mix the breed." Examples such as this seem like very persuasive evidence of Freud's theory that dreams are a form of wish fulfilment but many scientists and philosophers of science say that Freud's theories can't be scientifically falsified or that he lacks scientific evidence. But what constitutes scientific evidence? Surely Freud is a scientist because he grounds his theories in specific empirical clinical examples that he expresses clearly in a way that even the most uneducated person can understand them? The symbolic nature of dreams may require interpretation but interpretation isn't necessarily simply "subjective" and therefore lacking "objective" "scientific" grounding in my opinion if one can bolster that interpretation with empirical evidence. If we dismiss Freud because he isn't "scientific" then how do I know that other forms of science have been dismissed despite the fact that they maybe entirely reasonable on their own terms? <br><br> 
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Response from: Miriam Solomon<br />

<blockquote>You are right that some philosophers have dismissed Freud's ideas on the grounds that they are "not scientific."  I agree with you that this judgment is too harsh.  Freudian interpretations are theories for which there can be evidence for or against.  In practice, however, traditional Freudian analysts have been rather quick to accept and reject theories based on little evidence and much "intuitive plausibility."  They have not considered that other interpretations of behavior and dreams may be equally likely.  The philosopher of science Adolf Grunbaum thinks that the science of psychoanalysis is so sloppy that it should be thought of as "unscientific" or "pseudoscientic."  But not all philosophers of science or psychologists reject psychoanalysis.  Some think that Freud's specific account (in terms of id, ego, superego) is not as well confirmed as some other accounts (e.g. object relations theory).</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:36:31 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4290</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Ethics, Mind - Andrew Pessin responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ If someone is believed to be insane, yet they are happy and are not dangerous to themselves or others, what right does anyone have to force them to be treated or hospitalized? To them we may all seem insane, so do they have the right to ask us to change? What if bringing them closer to our definition of sanity leads them to additional pain or difficulty in life-- is it just to rob them of their former happiness by forcing them to conform to our definitions of sanity? 
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Response from: Andrew Pessin<br />

<blockquote><p>Hm, good question.  But does your question have an implicit premise -- that we do, or think we should, 'force' such people to change? When your conditions are truly met -- they're happy, not dangerous, and, presumably, adequately self-sufficient -- I'm not sure many people DO think we should treat them 'just for the sake of sanity' .... There's a nice novel called "Unless," by Carol Shields, that partly explores these themes -- a young woman suddenly decides to adopt a very alternative lifestyle and her very conventional mother can't help but think there must be something 'wrong' or 'mentally unstable' about her -- raises the question of when does 'difference' become 'illness' -- which I think is just underneath the surface of your question ....</p><p>hope that helps--</p><p> best, ap<br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:25:38 EST</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Ethics, Mind - Andrew Pessin responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ If someone is believed to be insane, yet they are happy and are not dangerous to themselves or others, what right does anyone have to force them to be treated or hospitalized? To them we may all seem insane, so do they have the right to ask us to change? What if bringing them closer to our definition of sanity leads them to additional pain or difficulty in life-- is it just to rob them of their former happiness by forcing them to conform to our definitions of sanity? 
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Response from: Andrew Pessin<br />

<blockquote><p>Hm, good question.  But does your question have an implicit premise -- that we do, or think we should, 'force' such people to change? When your conditions are truly met -- they're happy, not dangerous, and, presumably, adequately self-sufficient -- I'm not sure many people DO think we should treat them 'just for the sake of sanity' .... There's a nice novel called "Unless," by Carol Shields, that partly explores these themes -- a young woman suddenly decides to adopt a very alternative lifestyle and her very conventional mother can't help but think there must be something 'wrong' or 'mentally unstable' about her -- raises the question of when does 'difference' become 'illness' -- which I think is just underneath the surface of your question ....</p><p>hope that helps--</p><p> best, ap<br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 20:25:38 EST</pubDate>
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