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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Music - Jennifer Church responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ What is the difference between music and an aesthetically interesting grouping of sounds? I ask because I was listening to the opening of Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds and I while I found the sounds which were made to resemble a flock of birds to be very interesting and even quasi-musical sounding at times it didn't sound like music. It really is brilliant so why or why wouldn't it qualify as music? Listen to it yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0DeA6PPbMI/
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Response from: Jennifer Church<br />

<blockquote>For a very extended, and  musically informed discussion of your question, I would strongly recommend Roger Scruton's book <u>The Aesthetics of Music</u>. He develops a sophisticated account of  the way that we use our imaginations to experience the notes as moving in dance-like ways.  </blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:36:05 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/3498</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Emotion, Music - Jennifer Church responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Why is it that, in music, major chords, by themselves, isolated and without any musical context, sound bright and happy, while minor chords are dark and sad?  How can arbitrary collections of frequencies elicit distinct emotions from people?   
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Response from: Jennifer Church<br />

<blockquote><p>Even if the chords are not presented in the context of a music piece, they are heard in the (more backgrounded) context of  music one has heard.  Our associations with those pieces of music prime us to hear major versus minor chords in particular ways.</p><p> There is also a physical reason for finding major chords to be more settled or stable than minor chords: the wavelengths of a major third match the overtones of the root of a chord more closely than do the wavelengths of a minor third .  When we hear a C, for example, it is already producing secondary wavelengths that are those of an E (at a higher octave); the addition of a nearby E thus seems to fit in without added strain.  </p><p><br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:28:32 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/3491</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Music - Sean Greenberg responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ What is the difference between music and an aesthetically interesting grouping of sounds? I ask because I was listening to the opening of Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds and I while I found the sounds which were made to resemble a flock of birds to be very interesting and even quasi-musical sounding at times it didn't sound like music. It really is brilliant so why or why wouldn't it qualify as music? Listen to it yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0DeA6PPbMI/
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Response from: Sean Greenberg<br />

<blockquote>Your question is very interesting: it is, I think, an instance of a question that might generally be asked of any particular instance of any art: what is it that makes it the kind of work that it is?  <br><br>To fix ideas, consider the following question, which Stephen Dedalus, the protagonist of James Joyce's <em>Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man</em>, says that he's written down in a book at home: "If a man hacking in fury at a block of wood...make there an image of a cow, is that image a work of art?  If not, why not?"<br><br>Your question, like Stephen's, has to do with the difference between a genuine artwork and an otherwise identical grouping of sounds, not, however, produced in the context of a work of art.  <br><br>It therefore seems to me that brilliance alone is not enough for something to qualify as music; the birds outside my window sometimes produce a brilliant series of notes.  But the sounds produced by the birds aren't music, even if they are musical, whereas the sounds heard on the soundtrack of <em>The Birds</em> are, it would seem an instance of music?  The question, is, however, what makes the latter music and the former not?  Is it that there was an artist in the one case and not in the other?  Is it that the latter, but not the former, is the product of intention?  <br><br>These and other answers have been given in work on aesthetics, which, long before Stephen Dedalus wrote in his notebook, was centrally concerned with defining the nature of art, and hence engaging, on even a more general level, the kind of questions that you and Stephen raise about particular arts.  In the twentieth century, objections were raised to the very attempt to define the concept of art, on the grounds that the concept did not admit of a definition, but was instead, maybe, a 'family resemblance term', meant to capture a cluster of interrelated features, no one of which was essential or necessary to the concept, but which could overlap and criscross in all sorts of ways, and were nevertheless also not simply amenable to a disjunctive definition.  <br><br>Might it be the case that individual arts are like that?  Or are there criteria for determining what constitutes an instance of a particular art?  If the latter, then does the concept of art admit, after all, of definition?</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:36:05 EDT</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Music - Sean Greenberg responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Does philosophy concerning music have any worth or substance?  Or is music simply too abstract for there to be any meaningful philosophical insights gleaned from it?
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Response from: Sean Greenberg<br />

<blockquote>Treatments of music have long been a part of aesthetics: perhaps precisely because music is as abstract as it is--that is, it is not representational, or at least not obviously so--consideration of music raises questions about meaning, and human responses that are very different from those raised by representational arts such as painting or film.  While there has been much written on the philosophy of music, I think that a very good place to start is with the work of the philosopher Peter Kivy, who has written on a wide range of topics in the aesthetics of music over the years.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 19:44:49 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/3487</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Music - Charles Taliaferro responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Does music exist without a listener? This is kind of a corollary to the tree falling in the woods question- but it definitely deviates. Does the noise exist without someone to hear it? If music is created by a musician, does it really matter if anyone hears it? Does music have more value than random noise- because it was created with a purpose? Does this purpose give it more value than other waves?
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Response from: Charles Taliaferro<br />

<blockquote>Great questions.  If by 'music' one means actual auditions (sounds), then it seems that the same reply works with the tree in the woods.  There would be no sound and thus no music without auditions and thus without someone or thing to hear it.  And the definition of music in terms of sound is an important one in the philosophy of music.  Jerrold Levinson, for example, defines music as follows:<br><br>Sounds temporily organized by a person for the purpose of enriching or intensifying experience through active engagement (e.g. listening, dancing, performing) with the sounds regarded primarily, or in significant measure as sounds.<br><br>But if we change things a bit and think of musical composition, then your question about the musician seems very tempting. After all, imagine a musician composed a piece like the ninth symphony, perhaps writing out all the score, but the piece is never played.  In that case, I think many of us would say the muscial composition exists even if there is no sound made at all based on the score.  I would even say it is possible that all manner of musical compositions exist (or can exist) even if not written down, so long as someone simply composes the pieces in her head (so to speak!) and never tells a soul.<br><br>As for random versus purposive noise, Levinson's definition seems to rule out as music sounds produced by non-persons (e.g. birds) and mere noise (e.g. the wind's impact on trees).  You may wish to challenge his position on that front.  But one reason for thinking that persons and pursposiveness comes into play with music, is that most of us believe that music has expressive qualities or moods (joy, anger, sadness...) and it is difficult to think of noises that are non-purposive as possessing such expressive qualities.  Making matters more complicated, however, is that some contemporary musicians make great use of random sound waves.  For a philosopher who has done excellent work on the philosophy of music, check out Peter Kivy.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:50:11 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/3344</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Ethics, Music - Allen Stairs responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Say there is a music band whose members engage in frequent illegal/immoral acts, e.g. drunken driving, drug use, prostitution, rape, assault, etc. I want to buy their latest album, but I know that the money they receive from me will end up fueling their criminal behavior. Knowing this, is it wrong for me to buy the album?
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Response from: Allen Stairs<br />

<blockquote><p>You've given some good reasons for not buying the album. And since it's hard to make the case that you need this particular album, the reasons seem pretty strong - strong enough to convince me, at least.<br /></p><p>That said, there's a larger and harder issue here, and I'm guessing you may have it in the back of your mind. Many of us spend money at businesses whose practices we really wouldn't approve of if we let ourselves think about it.  Perhaps they buy goods from sweat shops. Perhaps they have despicable labor practices. </p><p>Without pretending that this does justice to the matter, a couple of issues strike me. One has to do with thresholds and balances. At what point are the practices of a business "bad enough" or insufficiently offset by the value of what they provide (including employment) that I should stop patronizing them? And how strong are my obligations to inform myself? I may know that business X has some very nasty practices. I might decide to patronize business Y instead, but the only difference between X and Y may be that I happen to know the bad things about X and haven't dug deep enough to inform myself of the equally nasty facts about Y.    </p><p>Those aren't just rhetorical questions, nor are they the only ones worth asking. But they do suggest that the relatively clear case you present is set against a backdrop of tricky questions.<br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:18:55 EDT</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/2828</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Ethics, Music - Richard Heck responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Putting aside the legal aspects and ramifications of illegally downloading music - is doing so morally wrong?<br><br>Put another way, do we do something morally wrong when we download or otherwise take music that we did not pay for?<br><br>If we acknowledge a private right to property, and that taking someone's property is stealing, then, can we say we steal (in the same sense, which is to say with the same moral implications) when we take the recognized intellectual property of another, specifically some artist's or artists' music?
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Response from: Richard Heck<br />

<blockquote><p align="left">The notion of "intellectual property" is fraught with difficulty, and my first reaction to this kind of argument is to question whether there is any such thing. Indeed, there are intelligent and thoughtful people who do precisely that. See, for example, <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html" target="_blank">this post</a> by Richard Stallman.<br /></p><p>But one does not have to go that far to think, as many more people do, that copyright (and especially patent) law has gotten completely out of hand. Most people seem to think that copyrights and patents exist to protect the rights of the creator of the work in question. This is questionable. One might hold instead that they exist to further <em>society's</em> interest in encouraging creativity and innovation, and that the laws governing so-called "intellectual property" ought to based upon an understanding that this is, indeed, the sole legitimate purpose of such laws.</p><p>So, if we value the creation and production of music and wish to encourage it, we would do well to think about what a sustainable and rational "business model" for musicians, composers, and the like might be, one that is compatible with the rights of the rest of us and that will, indeed, further the goals that matter to us. It seems clear that the model that was in place fifteen years ago is no longer workable, and many musicians have already shifted direction dramatically. For example, bands used to tour to promote records: Tickets were the loss-leader that drove record sales, which was where the money was. Now, bands release records to promote their tours: Tickets are more expensive, and that is where money is made. That, indeed, is the model that was in place seventy years ago or so, and it is the way the great majority of musicians make their money. (Composers and the like are a different matter. But I'll leave their plight to others to speculate about.)</p><p> </p><p>It's worth appreciating, too, that the large record companies are really no friends to musicians, but on the contrary have been exceptionally exploitative of musicians, and they have sought to control music in ways that, so far as I can tell, serve no-one's interest at all. </p><p>Well, I'm not sure I've addressed the moral question, but I guess that's because I don't think there <em>is</em> a moral question here, unless you think there is some kind of "natural" right to intellectual property. And that's precisely what I don't think. I think property, in general, but especially intellectual property, is really a <em>political</em> and<em> legal</em> notion, rather than a moral one.<br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 15:21:45 EDT</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Music - Allen Stairs responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ How would a person who believes that musical works are universals account for instances of musical works which seem to imply that each performance of the same piece is always different, not only in the sense that all performances are different interpretations of the same score, but taking the examples of the arab "maqam", the indian "raga" or western jazz music, in which improvisation and sometimes a radical "mutation" of the work plays an important role, not accidental but essential to the performance of that work?<br><br>Victor G.
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Response from: Allen Stairs<br />

<blockquote><p>Any performance of a musical work will always differ in <em>some</em> ways from other performances. And universalist theorists know that. What's required is that the performance nonetheless have the characteristics that the relevant universal call for. (Or have enough of them; we'll set issues about imperfect performances aside.) So suppose the universalist would say something like this: there's <em>something</em> that makes a performance even of a work that allows for accident or improvisation a performance of one work rather than another. Whatever <em>that</em> is tells us which universal the work corresponds to. It may just be that in some cases, the pattern that the work "is" may be more abstract.</p><p>Whether that's fully adequate is harder to say. But it's the obvious way to deal with the sort of worry that you raise.<br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:05:15 EDT</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Art, Music - Thomas Pogge responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Is intention enough for one to get an artistic status? Supose, as a composer, I have a piece called "Sonata for non-prepared pianist". I walk into a theater and pick someone from the audience and give to this person, that lacks musical theory knowledge, some verbal instructions like "play anything with anger. Now imagine you're watching the ocean. Now imagine you are in a hurry..." and I sit him in front of the piano. He will just randomly hit keys and produce noise (or music?) accordingly to the "moods" I gave him. So, he is playing piano, he has intention of playing piano, he is producing sound, he is following instructions. Can we consider him, now, the concert pianist? Is he now an artist?<br><br>Tiago V., Portugal
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Response from: Thomas Pogge<br />

<blockquote>I think we have some pretty good discussion of this question already from earlier Questions <a href="http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/729" target="_blank">729</a>, <a href="http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1497" target="_blank">1497</a>, <a href="http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/1806" target="_blank">1806</a>, <a href="http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/2111" target="_blank">2111</a>. It's a fascinating question certain musicians and artists have raised through their work (just as you imagine), and all the more interesting for there being no compelling way of reaching an answer.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 00:22:23 EDT</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Music - Douglas Burnham responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Just how 'universal' is music?  That seems to be a very broad question, but here's some background to clarify: In the past, there have been many different ways of creating music.  The only real standard of pitch is the octave, which is two notes exactly one half or twice the others' frequency.  Between that, there have been tons of different ways of dividing the octave (12-tone, just intonation, 19 tone, 31 tone, pitch bending etc.) which obviously resulted in some very different types of music.  When I listen to Armenian duduk music, for example, it all sounds very similar to me, a combination of familiar western music scales and modes with slightly bent pitches.  I presume that they have many different types of music within their own culture, as we do in the west, and as every culture probably does.  So, would our music sound similar to someone unfamiliar with it, as a person from a small Asian or African village that had its own, old and untainted musical tradition.  Would they be able to distinguish between a jazzy piece and a baroque dance played on the same instrument?  I realize that this sounds ridiculous (of COURSE they would sound different, right?) but I have to remind myself that I have an absolutely limited and biased perspective, as I have grown up completely within the envelope of European tradition music.  I don't look for an answer necessarily from someone who grew up somewhere different, but from someone who can speculate about the degree to which perspective changes perception.
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Response from: Douglas Burnham<br />

<blockquote><meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="CONTENT-TYPE" /><title></title><meta content="OpenOffice.org 2.4  (Win32)" name="GENERATOR" /><style type="text/css">	<!--		@page { size: 21.59cm 27.94cm; margin: 2cm }		P { margin-bottom: 0.21cm }	-->	</style><p>Thanks for your question. I can think of a couple ways ofanswering your question, we'll see if you think any of them areworthwhile.</p><p>It is often said in evolutionary accounts of human beings thatmusic is a universal feature, because it served or still serves somesurvival function. If one could indeed map the 'need' for musicagainst an evolved feature of the human brain, then that would provemusic is not merely cultural (and thus whether there is music in aparticular culture would be contingent). However, to evaluate thisevolutionary account empirically, presumably one would have torigorously define music, and distinguish it from language, poetry,noises, imitation, etc. And arriving at such a definition doesn'tseem easy for precisely the reasons you raise.</p><p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">Similarly, it is often pointed out thatcultures in cold climates have many words for snow, while culturesfrom tropical climes have few or none. Many words are needed in theformer case to indicate differences that culture finds significantamong types of snow (dry, wet, hard, thin, whatever). A visitor fromthe tropics not only wouldn't know the names but very likely wouldn'tbe consciously aware of these subtle distinctions. Presumably, it'sthe same with musical styles. Music from a different culture tends tosound similar because you haven't been 'trained' or 'educated' tosense and perhaps also name the differences.</p><p style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">However, could one – given competenthearing, a competent trainer and enough time – learn to 'hear'music from any culture (anywhere in the world, that is, and from anyhistorical period)? What would this mean? Would it mean just to senseand name differences, or would it mean to <em>understand</em> the musiclike a native. You would still be a cultural outsider, of course,albeit a knowledgeable one. There's a lovely short story by Borgescalled 'Pierre Menard, author of the Quixote'. It is about a man whorecomposes (not copies, and not rewrites) the novel Don Quixoteseveral centuries <em>after</em> the original. Borges has great fundescribing how the two books are exactly the 'same' and yet meansomething entirely different; how the later one is, at severalpoints, much better because a phrase that was run-of-the-mill forCervantes was strikingly original in Menard's day.</p></blockquote> ]]></description>
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