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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Music - Gordon Marino responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Why do mainstream listeners find it difficult to consider extreme metal music (e.g. death metal, black metal, etc) aesthetically pleasing? Some forms of progressive death metal (e.g. bands like Opeth) do an excellent job of balancing truly 'beautiful' and 'sublime' elements. Can it be, that due to an aversion on worldview level, people do not recognize the aesthetic elements?
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Response from: Gordon Marino<br />

<blockquote>I listen to all types of music but have a hard time with the screaming in extreme metal. It just jangles my nerves. But it is true, I think, that certain life perspectives could render it difficult to detect the beauty in certain types of music. For instance, I imagine that people with a particular view, would not find it easy to grasp the beauty of some of Tupac's songs. Opinion and prejudice definitely influence our aesthetic sensibilities. <br /></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:11:04 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4072</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Music - Gordon Marino responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ It is said that good art communicates things.  Music, though, doesn't appear to communicate anything beyond vague aesthetic-emotional sensations (if we ignore experimental music that communicates about itself by, for example, playing Beethoven's 9th using only objects taken from a lower-class family home).  Yet people also say of music that it is a "universal language".  I'm not a musical expert, though, so I'm not clear on all this.  Does music communicate anything beyond sensations/emotions?  What can it communicate?  How does that communication take place?
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Response from: Gordon Marino<br />

<blockquote>I see no reason to think of communication as consisting solely of the transfer of information and concepts.  Communicating emotions is by no means trivial.  Philosophers such as Kierkegaard would also contend that emotions contain cognitive content as well. </blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:28:00 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/3903</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Music - Charles Taliaferro responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ I am listening to the theme music of a movie soundtrack. While I enjoy the theme music there is nonetheless something about it that strikes me as inauthentic and hallow. The thing is that I can't point to what it is that I find inauthentic.  Maybe I might say that the music tries for an unconvincingly and excessively cinematic vastness and grandeur of emotion. But much equally ambitious cinematic music does not strike me as inauthentic.  Is it philosophically incoherent to speak of a piece of music as lacking certain virtues such as authenticity when you are not even certain how a piece of music might be called authentic in the first place? How could it make sense? It seems odd to me that I can make such judgments.
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Response from: Charles Taliaferro<br />

<blockquote>Interesting!  The topic of authenticity in music has been a lively one, especially (for some reason) in the 1980s and 1990s.  The topic was usually defined by disputes about whether a musical performance of, say, Bach, could be authentic if it was performed with instruments that were unknown to the composer.  Might it be the case that to really hear Bach's B Minor Mass one has to hear it on instruments modeled on those employed by the great German Baroque era composer?  I believe Peter Kivey has a good book on authenticity in the arts, especially music.  I think that the majority of philosophers who have considered this question concluded that authentic Bach does not require using only Baroque era instruments.<br><br>But quite apart from concerns with instruments or questions about when music is faithful to a composer's intentions, etc (which you did not ask about!), I think there are other ways of talking about authentic music.  In your case, I don't think it is odd at all to think in terms of authenticity or inauthenticity.  If someone described a piece of music as inauthentic and filled it out, as you have, with the observation that the music was unconvincing and excessive, I would think the music was unsuccesful insofar as it detracts from the movie or it somehow renders the film incredible or I might think of the music as sentimental and manipulative.  In each (or all) of these respects I think one may reasonably think of inauthentic music as somehow failing to convince one of the drama or narrative of the film (e.g. the music that is supposed to overwhelm us with joy seems merely sacharine and smug).<br><br>I can also imagine that a movie sound track might sound inauthentic or hallow if listened to without the visuals.  In that case, perhaps one's sense of inauthenticity and hallowness comes from the fact that some music is explicitly composed and intended to be part of an audiovisual experience, just as some visual experiences are reproduced in film that are intended and edited to include a movie sound track.  Possibly, when you are only listening to the theme music you are only experience a fragment of wrok of art.  The theme music without the visuals really is hallow and inauthentic, but matters change when experiencing the work of art as a whole.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:17:16 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/3889</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Music - Jennifer Church responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ What is the difference between music and an aesthetically interesting grouping of sounds? I ask because I was listening to the opening of Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds and I while I found the sounds which were made to resemble a flock of birds to be very interesting and even quasi-musical sounding at times it didn't sound like music. It really is brilliant so why or why wouldn't it qualify as music? Listen to it yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0DeA6PPbMI/
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Response from: Jennifer Church<br />

<blockquote>For a very extended, and  musically informed discussion of your question, I would strongly recommend Roger Scruton's book <u>The Aesthetics of Music</u>. He develops a sophisticated account of  the way that we use our imaginations to experience the notes as moving in dance-like ways.  </blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:36:05 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/3498</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Emotion, Music - Jennifer Church responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Why is it that, in music, major chords, by themselves, isolated and without any musical context, sound bright and happy, while minor chords are dark and sad?  How can arbitrary collections of frequencies elicit distinct emotions from people?   
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Response from: Jennifer Church<br />

<blockquote><p>Even if the chords are not presented in the context of a music piece, they are heard in the (more backgrounded) context of  music one has heard.  Our associations with those pieces of music prime us to hear major versus minor chords in particular ways.</p><p> There is also a physical reason for finding major chords to be more settled or stable than minor chords: the wavelengths of a major third match the overtones of the root of a chord more closely than do the wavelengths of a minor third .  When we hear a C, for example, it is already producing secondary wavelengths that are those of an E (at a higher octave); the addition of a nearby E thus seems to fit in without added strain.  </p><p><br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:28:32 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/3491</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Music - Sean Greenberg responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ What is the difference between music and an aesthetically interesting grouping of sounds? I ask because I was listening to the opening of Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds and I while I found the sounds which were made to resemble a flock of birds to be very interesting and even quasi-musical sounding at times it didn't sound like music. It really is brilliant so why or why wouldn't it qualify as music? Listen to it yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0DeA6PPbMI/
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Response from: Sean Greenberg<br />

<blockquote>Your question is very interesting: it is, I think, an instance of a question that might generally be asked of any particular instance of any art: what is it that makes it the kind of work that it is?  <br><br>To fix ideas, consider the following question, which Stephen Dedalus, the protagonist of James Joyce's <em>Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man</em>, says that he's written down in a book at home: "If a man hacking in fury at a block of wood...make there an image of a cow, is that image a work of art?  If not, why not?"<br><br>Your question, like Stephen's, has to do with the difference between a genuine artwork and an otherwise identical grouping of sounds, not, however, produced in the context of a work of art.  <br><br>It therefore seems to me that brilliance alone is not enough for something to qualify as music; the birds outside my window sometimes produce a brilliant series of notes.  But the sounds produced by the birds aren't music, even if they are musical, whereas the sounds heard on the soundtrack of <em>The Birds</em> are, it would seem an instance of music?  The question, is, however, what makes the latter music and the former not?  Is it that there was an artist in the one case and not in the other?  Is it that the latter, but not the former, is the product of intention?  <br><br>These and other answers have been given in work on aesthetics, which, long before Stephen Dedalus wrote in his notebook, was centrally concerned with defining the nature of art, and hence engaging, on even a more general level, the kind of questions that you and Stephen raise about particular arts.  In the twentieth century, objections were raised to the very attempt to define the concept of art, on the grounds that the concept did not admit of a definition, but was instead, maybe, a 'family resemblance term', meant to capture a cluster of interrelated features, no one of which was essential or necessary to the concept, but which could overlap and criscross in all sorts of ways, and were nevertheless also not simply amenable to a disjunctive definition.  <br><br>Might it be the case that individual arts are like that?  Or are there criteria for determining what constitutes an instance of a particular art?  If the latter, then does the concept of art admit, after all, of definition?</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:36:05 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/3498</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Music - Sean Greenberg responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Does philosophy concerning music have any worth or substance?  Or is music simply too abstract for there to be any meaningful philosophical insights gleaned from it?
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Response from: Sean Greenberg<br />

<blockquote>Treatments of music have long been a part of aesthetics: perhaps precisely because music is as abstract as it is--that is, it is not representational, or at least not obviously so--consideration of music raises questions about meaning, and human responses that are very different from those raised by representational arts such as painting or film.  While there has been much written on the philosophy of music, I think that a very good place to start is with the work of the philosopher Peter Kivy, who has written on a wide range of topics in the aesthetics of music over the years.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 19:44:49 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/3487</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Music - Charles Taliaferro responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Does music exist without a listener? This is kind of a corollary to the tree falling in the woods question- but it definitely deviates. Does the noise exist without someone to hear it? If music is created by a musician, does it really matter if anyone hears it? Does music have more value than random noise- because it was created with a purpose? Does this purpose give it more value than other waves?
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Response from: Charles Taliaferro<br />

<blockquote>Great questions.  If by 'music' one means actual auditions (sounds), then it seems that the same reply works with the tree in the woods.  There would be no sound and thus no music without auditions and thus without someone or thing to hear it.  And the definition of music in terms of sound is an important one in the philosophy of music.  Jerrold Levinson, for example, defines music as follows:<br><br>Sounds temporily organized by a person for the purpose of enriching or intensifying experience through active engagement (e.g. listening, dancing, performing) with the sounds regarded primarily, or in significant measure as sounds.<br><br>But if we change things a bit and think of musical composition, then your question about the musician seems very tempting. After all, imagine a musician composed a piece like the ninth symphony, perhaps writing out all the score, but the piece is never played.  In that case, I think many of us would say the muscial composition exists even if there is no sound made at all based on the score.  I would even say it is possible that all manner of musical compositions exist (or can exist) even if not written down, so long as someone simply composes the pieces in her head (so to speak!) and never tells a soul.<br><br>As for random versus purposive noise, Levinson's definition seems to rule out as music sounds produced by non-persons (e.g. birds) and mere noise (e.g. the wind's impact on trees).  You may wish to challenge his position on that front.  But one reason for thinking that persons and pursposiveness comes into play with music, is that most of us believe that music has expressive qualities or moods (joy, anger, sadness...) and it is difficult to think of noises that are non-purposive as possessing such expressive qualities.  Making matters more complicated, however, is that some contemporary musicians make great use of random sound waves.  For a philosopher who has done excellent work on the philosophy of music, check out Peter Kivy.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:50:11 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/3344</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Ethics, Music - Allen Stairs responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Say there is a music band whose members engage in frequent illegal/immoral acts, e.g. drunken driving, drug use, prostitution, rape, assault, etc. I want to buy their latest album, but I know that the money they receive from me will end up fueling their criminal behavior. Knowing this, is it wrong for me to buy the album?
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Response from: Allen Stairs<br />

<blockquote><p>You've given some good reasons for not buying the album. And since it's hard to make the case that you need this particular album, the reasons seem pretty strong - strong enough to convince me, at least.<br /></p><p>That said, there's a larger and harder issue here, and I'm guessing you may have it in the back of your mind. Many of us spend money at businesses whose practices we really wouldn't approve of if we let ourselves think about it.  Perhaps they buy goods from sweat shops. Perhaps they have despicable labor practices. </p><p>Without pretending that this does justice to the matter, a couple of issues strike me. One has to do with thresholds and balances. At what point are the practices of a business "bad enough" or insufficiently offset by the value of what they provide (including employment) that I should stop patronizing them? And how strong are my obligations to inform myself? I may know that business X has some very nasty practices. I might decide to patronize business Y instead, but the only difference between X and Y may be that I happen to know the bad things about X and haven't dug deep enough to inform myself of the equally nasty facts about Y.    </p><p>Those aren't just rhetorical questions, nor are they the only ones worth asking. But they do suggest that the relatively clear case you present is set against a backdrop of tricky questions.<br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:18:55 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/2828</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Ethics, Music - Richard Heck responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Putting aside the legal aspects and ramifications of illegally downloading music - is doing so morally wrong?<br><br>Put another way, do we do something morally wrong when we download or otherwise take music that we did not pay for?<br><br>If we acknowledge a private right to property, and that taking someone's property is stealing, then, can we say we steal (in the same sense, which is to say with the same moral implications) when we take the recognized intellectual property of another, specifically some artist's or artists' music?
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Response from: Richard Heck<br />

<blockquote><p align="left">The notion of "intellectual property" is fraught with difficulty, and my first reaction to this kind of argument is to question whether there is any such thing. Indeed, there are intelligent and thoughtful people who do precisely that. See, for example, <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html" target="_blank">this post</a> by Richard Stallman.<br /></p><p>But one does not have to go that far to think, as many more people do, that copyright (and especially patent) law has gotten completely out of hand. Most people seem to think that copyrights and patents exist to protect the rights of the creator of the work in question. This is questionable. One might hold instead that they exist to further <em>society's</em> interest in encouraging creativity and innovation, and that the laws governing so-called "intellectual property" ought to based upon an understanding that this is, indeed, the sole legitimate purpose of such laws.</p><p>So, if we value the creation and production of music and wish to encourage it, we would do well to think about what a sustainable and rational "business model" for musicians, composers, and the like might be, one that is compatible with the rights of the rest of us and that will, indeed, further the goals that matter to us. It seems clear that the model that was in place fifteen years ago is no longer workable, and many musicians have already shifted direction dramatically. For example, bands used to tour to promote records: Tickets were the loss-leader that drove record sales, which was where the money was. Now, bands release records to promote their tours: Tickets are more expensive, and that is where money is made. That, indeed, is the model that was in place seventy years ago or so, and it is the way the great majority of musicians make their money. (Composers and the like are a different matter. But I'll leave their plight to others to speculate about.)</p><p> </p><p>It's worth appreciating, too, that the large record companies are really no friends to musicians, but on the contrary have been exceptionally exploitative of musicians, and they have sought to control music in ways that, so far as I can tell, serve no-one's interest at all. </p><p>Well, I'm not sure I've addressed the moral question, but I guess that's because I don't think there <em>is</em> a moral question here, unless you think there is some kind of "natural" right to intellectual property. And that's precisely what I don't think. I think property, in general, but especially intellectual property, is really a <em>political</em> and<em> legal</em> notion, rather than a moral one.<br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 15:21:45 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/2669</link>
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