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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Existence, Science - Stephen Maitzen responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Is modern philosophy too abstract? I mean when it asks questions about being does it ask questions that about any kind of being when perhaps it could be asking question about the particular kind of being that we live in? I guess you could say the answer is no because philosophers deal with questions about science and science is about the world we live in. But is the kind of being of science the only "concrete" form of being that philosophers can ask about? I personally think that their is more to being than either physics or hyper-abstractions that only look at being in terms of temporarily, causality and quantity, etc. Is a disagreement about what we think is "being" perhaps one of the central splits between analytic and "continental" philosophy?
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Response from: Stephen Maitzen<br />

<blockquote><p>I tend to use the noun 'being' as a count noun: You and I are both beings; maybe the number seven is also a being (although of a different kind from you or me).  I'll therefore use the words 'existence' or 'reality' for what you seem to refer to by 'being' in your question.  When it asks questions about existence or reality, modern-day philosophy -- including analytic philosophy -- ranges as broadly as you like.  Philosophy doesn't confine itself to the world described by natural science.  Often philosophy asks about the existence or reality of non-natural beings such as abstract objects (maybe numbers, properties, propositions) or concrete, non-natural beings (maybe immaterial minds or souls, maybe God).  It's true that analytic philosophers tend to respect natural science, but they shouldn't (and largely don't) think that all legitimate questions are questions for natural science.  Furthermore, contemporary philosophy -- perhaps especially analytic philosophy -- asks about ways that reality <em>could have been but isn't</em>: for example, in analyzing counterfactual conditionals, identity, cause and effect, the concept of knowledge, the concept of merit or desert, and countless other things too.  I think contemporary analytic philosophy is much less narrowly scientistic (i.e., uncritically science-worshiping) than you may have been led to believe.  For just two of many examples of analytic philosophy venturing beyond the realm of natural science, see these entries in the excellent Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (an online resource I keep recommending!):<br /></p><p>SEP, "<a target="_blank" href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/abstract-objects/">Abstract Objects</a>"<br />SEP, "<a target="_blank" href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/identity-transworld/">Transworld Identity</a>"<br /></p><p><br /><br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:16:23 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4510</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Science - Miriam Solomon responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Would it be accurate to say that the relationship between scientific theory and the material world is like the relationship between a map and the territory it represents?
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Response from: Miriam Solomon<br />

<blockquote>This is an interesting analogy and it is one that some philosophers of science (e.g. Ronald Giere) have developed.  It captures the idea that scientific theories represent the world by naming its objects and relations.  But it is just an analogy, and like all analogies, the similarities only go so far.<br /><br>The map analogy is good for illustrating how theories can be partial and not complete e.g. a map of the London Underground is partial, revealing topological relationships but not distances, and likewise classical thermodynamics reveals temperature/pressure/volume relationships but not magnetic forces.<br /><br>The map analogy is less good for understanding the success of theories in quantum mechanics and particle physics, where  theories are valued for their predictive power but not necessarily for their representativeness.<br /><br>Maps are also more complicated than is assumed in the analogy: for example, different projections of 3D structures into 2D (e.g. the different projections of the earth's surface) may contradict each other and even misrepresent distances, angles, etc.<br /><br>So--it's just an analogy, sometimes useful pedagogically, but not to be taken too literally.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:26:44 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4480</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Science - Miriam Solomon responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Would it be accurate to say that the relationship between scientific theory and the material world is like the relationship between a map and the territory it represents?
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Response from: Miriam Solomon<br />

<blockquote>This is an interesting analogy and it is one that some philosophers of science (e.g. Ronald Giere) have developed.  It captures the idea that scientific theories represent the world by naming its objects and relations.  But it is just an analogy, and like all analogies, the similarities only go so far.<br /><br>The map analogy is good for illustrating how theories can be partial and not complete e.g. a map of the London Underground is partial, revealing topological relationships but not distances, and likewise classical thermodynamics reveals temperature/pressure/volume relationships but not magnetic forces.<br /><br>The map analogy is less good for understanding the success of theories in quantum mechanics and particle physics, where  theories are valued for their predictive power but not necessarily for their representativeness.<br /><br>Maps are also more complicated than is assumed in the analogy: for example, different projections of 3D structures into 2D (e.g. the different projections of the earth's surface) may contradict each other and even misrepresent distances, angles, etc.<br /><br>So--it's just an analogy, sometimes useful pedagogically, but not to be taken too literally.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 09:26:44 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4480</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Logic, Science - Andrew Pessin responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Let's say I have a machine with a button and a light bulb where the bulb lights up if and only if I press the button. I don't know anything about it's inner workings (gears, computers, God), I only know the "if and only if" connection between button and light. Can I say that by pressing the button I cause the bulb to light up? (I would say yes).<br><br>It seems to me that for the causal connection it doesn't matter that I don't know the exact inner workings, or that I don't desire the effect (maybe I press the button just because I enjoy pressing it, or because there is strong social pressure to press it, ...), and that I consider it very unfortunate that the bulb lights up wasting electric energy.<br><br>Let's now change the terms: instead of "pressing the button" we insert "having a kid" and instead of "the bulb lights up" we have "the kid dies" (maybe when adult). I think the "if and only if" relationship still holds, and so does the causal connection.<br><br>It would seem to me that parents are causally connected to the death of their kids (e.g. creating a person also causes the death of such a person), and that it doesn't matter that they don't want their kids to die, or that they don't understand exactly how a human being is created or dies, etc... it also doesn't matter if the kid will live till his 90s, or commit suicide as a teenager, or be poisoned. Those are the irrelevant "inner workings", the only certain thing is that he will surely die, one way or another.<br><br>Any particular holes in this line of reasoning?
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Response from: Andrew Pessin<br />

<blockquote><p>Great set of thoughts, here.  But maybe one quick mode of response is to remark that much depends on just what you take the word "cause" to mean.  You could take it to mean something like this:  "x causes y" = "y if and only if x", as you've suggested.  Then, granting that both cases above are cases fulfilling the "if and only if", sure, giving birth would count as a cause of the later death.  But now two things.  (1) Why should "cause" mean precisely that?  Wouldn't it be enough if the x reliably yielded the y, even if things other than x could yield the y too?  (i.e. couldn't you drop the 'only if' part, so 'x causes y' would mean 'if x, then, y', even if it might also be true (say) that 'if z, then y'?)  Going this route would preserve your intuition that both cases above are cases of causation, but focus on whether your particular definition is the best one.  (2) Perhaps more importantly, though, one might examine the 'pragmatics' of causation -- how people actually use the word, different from how very precise philosophers or scientists might define it.  So, for example, we often restrict the word 'cause' not just to every factor which may be necessary or sufficient or both for an effect, but to the most salient factors, the most explanatorily relevant ones, the most proximate ones, etc.  So, you strike a match and it lights; strictly speaking many things are at least necessary for that (the presence of oxygen, the existence of the match, the laws of physics, etc.) but we often say 'the striking caused the lighting', even though all those other factors were necessary.  Indeed the striking was neither necessary nor sufficient for the lighting -- the match could have been lit other ways, and striking on its own (without oxygen etc) wouldn't light.  So our ordinary use of 'cause' is far looser than some technical philosophical definition.  So the question for you is: how, ultimately, are you going to use the word 'cause', and are you justified in choosing that use in light of competing uses?</p><p> </p><p>hope that's useful ...</p><p> ap<br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:17:07 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4403</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Freedom, Religion, Science - Andrew Pessin responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Is religion the true enemy of freedom in a democratic society since it teaches us that we have to think a certain way or is science since it teaches us that nobody is truly free but a product of deterministic forces?
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Response from: Andrew Pessin<br />

<blockquote><p>Or another mode of reply:  First suppose that science DOES suggest determinism.  How would anything be different in our lives?  Wouldn't democratic processes work precisely the same way as they have been?  (After all, our behavior has been deterministic all along, so why would discovering/proving/merely believing that it is deterministic change anything?)  Or since 'freedom' seems to be the larger concern for you, again, what would be different?  All the cases where we've held people responsible for their behaviors, we still would hold them, wouldn't we? we'd still lock up bad people, teach our children to be good, etc.... So it isn't clear to me why scientific results would threaten anything, really.  Ditto for religion: if we think religions are in the business of generating true claims about the world, then, where they succeed, we should be happy to endorse their claims (assuming we want the truth).  Whichever dogmatic religions you're thinking of ARE dogmatic because they believe they have the truth which, I suppose, isn't necessarily a bad thing.  Of course, greater humility about knowledge is probably more appropriate -- but then very little stops most people from believing their religious beliefs along WITH the humility of recognizing they may be wrong -- so it isn't religion itself which 'suppresses freedom (of thought)', but dogmatic bossy people (some of whom are religious, but many of whom are not) ....</p><p>hope that's useful! ...</p><p> ap<br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:09:01 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4409</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Physics, Science - Marc Lange responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ I consider myself a (metaphysical) materialist or, to use the synonymous term that is more fashionable nowadays, physicalist, and I'm familiar with the academic literature on contemporary materialism/physicalism. But in no paper or book did I find really satisfying, fully adequate definitions of the central concepts of a material/physical object and of a material/physical property. (A material/physical property certainly isn't material/physical in the same sense as a material/physical object.) Does this mean that there actually aren't any such definitions, and that materialism/physicalism is therefore a virtually vacuous doctrine?<br>Material/physical objects (substances) could be defined in terms of material/physical properties: <br><br>x is a material/physical object =def x has some (intrinsic) material/physical properties.<br><br>But then the big problem is how to properly define the concept of a material/physical property.<br><br>I've been trying to devise and formulate a fully adequate definition of it for several years—but I always failed. Such a definition is particularly hard to come by because it mustn't render property dualism false by definition and physicalist property monism true by definition. It also mustn't rule out the possibility of panpsychism.<br><br>So my question to you is: Is there any fully adequate definition of the concept of a material/physical property available, or is the intellectual search for it hopeless?
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Response from: Marc Lange<br />

<blockquote>This is indeed a difficult question. If we say that a physical object is an object with intrinsic physical properties, then you are right: we have left ourselves with the question of what a physical property is. If we say that a physical object is an object with spatiotemporal properties (such as position and velocity), then someone who believed in irreducible minds or souls that have spatial locations could presumably still count as a physicalist, which seems inappropriate. If we say that a material object is an object that is made of matter, then we need an account of what matter is. Are electric fields made of matter? They have mass, after all. Would Newtonian space be made of matter? It doesn't seem like it would be ... but its existence does not compromise materialism, does it? <br><br>More generally, materialism and physicalism seem to be motivated by the idea that the entities described by physics are all of the entities that there are -- or, more precisely, are all of the fundamental entities there are. Another way to put this idea (that avoids the presupposition that there are fundamental entities) is that physicalism is the idea that all of the facts (or, at least, all of the contingent facts) are determined by the physical facts. Now, of course, the question is: what is a physical fact? Any specification of the particular kinds of properties that can figure in a physical fact would seem to be hostage to the fortunes of a future physics. To avoid any commitment to the kinds of facts that might appear in a final physics, we could say that physicalism is the idea that all of the (contingent) facts are determined by the facts that would appear in the final, complete physics. However, that way of putting the point presupposes that we understand what counts as "physics." This seems to raise exactly the questions that we were trying to get around. <br><br>One place where these matters are discussed is early in Bas Van Fraassen's book "The empirical stance." Van Fraassen argues that materialism (physicalism, naturalism...) are stances rather than views that could be true or false.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:56:47 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4405</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Freedom, Religion, Science - Allen Stairs responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Is religion the true enemy of freedom in a democratic society since it teaches us that we have to think a certain way or is science since it teaches us that nobody is truly free but a product of deterministic forces?
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Response from: Allen Stairs<br />

<blockquote><p>How about neither?</p><p>Let's start with religion, about which only a few words. Some forms of religion are dogmatic and deeply invested in doubtful beliefs, but it's a mistake to think all religion is like that, contrary to the persistent insistence of some apologists for atheism. </p><p>And "science" writ large hasn't settled whether everything is a product of deterministic forces, let alone about what that would imply if it were true. On the first point: it's open to serious doubt whether quantum processes are deterministic. And it's simply not true that the macro-world would be sealed off from all quantum indeterminism. More important, it's simply not settled that determinism has the dire implications you suppose it has. Most philosophers, I'd guess, accept some version of compatibilism, according to which physical determinism and human freedom can coexist. A bit of searching around this website will find various discussions. <a href="http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/2663" target="_blank">Here's one</a> that might be helpful.</p>Of course, it might be that the compatibilists are wrong. It might also be (many have argued this) that <em>indeterminism</em> doesn't help either. (The fact that a bit of behavior isn't caused hardly shows that it's the sort of thing we want to count as an action for which someone could be held responsible.) The issues here are a blend of philosophical and scientific. But science isn't the enemy. It's our best way of trying to sort out the factual background to our philosophical puzzles. What we make of those facts isn't something we should blame "science" for.<br /><p><br /></p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:09:01 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4409</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Science, Time - Jonathan Westphal responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Is the concept of backward causation coherent and is it really taken seriously by philosophers? I doubt whether any scientist would accept the idea and I would like to know what you think.      
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Response from: Jonathan Westphal<br />

<blockquote>Is the idea of backwards causation coherent? It seems not, as  you could, for example, cause earlier events, such as your own birth, not to have happened. There is also the famous "bilking" (cheating) argument due to Max Black, according to which you can prevent the future cause of something that has already happened from occurring. All the same, philosophers, particularly Michael Dummett, have taken the idea perfectly seriously, and defended it. You write that you doubt that a scientist would take the idea seriously, but plenty of physicists, including Richard Feynman, have indeed used the idea for a variety of purposes, including the remarkable idea of positrons running backwards in time.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:09:32 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4324</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Mind, Science - Miriam Solomon responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Sigmund Freud told of a Jewish women who dreamt that a stranger handed her a comb. The women desired to marry a Christian man which triggered an emotional argument with her mother on the night prior to her dream. When Freud asked her what memories she associated with the word comb the woman told him that once her mother had once told her not to use a separate comb because she would "mix the breed." Freud then revealed that the meaning of the dream was an expression of her own latent wish to "mix the breed." Examples such as this seem like very persuasive evidence of Freud's theory that dreams are a form of wish fulfilment but many scientists and philosophers of science say that Freud's theories can't be scientifically falsified or that he lacks scientific evidence. But what constitutes scientific evidence? Surely Freud is a scientist because he grounds his theories in specific empirical clinical examples that he expresses clearly in a way that even the most uneducated person can understand them? The symbolic nature of dreams may require interpretation but interpretation isn't necessarily simply "subjective" and therefore lacking "objective" "scientific" grounding in my opinion if one can bolster that interpretation with empirical evidence. If we dismiss Freud because he isn't "scientific" then how do I know that other forms of science have been dismissed despite the fact that they maybe entirely reasonable on their own terms? <br><br> 
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Response from: Miriam Solomon<br />

<blockquote>You are right that some philosophers have dismissed Freud's ideas on the grounds that they are "not scientific."  I agree with you that this judgment is too harsh.  Freudian interpretations are theories for which there can be evidence for or against.  In practice, however, traditional Freudian analysts have been rather quick to accept and reject theories based on little evidence and much "intuitive plausibility."  They have not considered that other interpretations of behavior and dreams may be equally likely.  The philosopher of science Adolf Grunbaum thinks that the science of psychoanalysis is so sloppy that it should be thought of as "unscientific" or "pseudoscientic."  But not all philosophers of science or psychologists reject psychoanalysis.  Some think that Freud's specific account (in terms of id, ego, superego) is not as well confirmed as some other accounts (e.g. object relations theory).</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:36:31 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4290</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Science - Miriam Solomon responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Are there any modern philosophers that still defend astrology as either a legitimate practice or as a science?
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Response from: Miriam Solomon<br />

<blockquote>I don't know of any scientist who takes astrology seriously.  There are two problems with astrology (1) the lack of confirmatory evidence and (2) the implausibility of the theory, given what else we know about the universe.  But your question asked whether there are "modern philosophers" who take astrology seriously.  Depending on how broadly the community of philosophers is defined, there may well be philosophers who take astrology seriously.  You might be able to find a scientist or two, also.  However, I doubt that there are scientists seriously working in the area of astrology (making predictions and testing them).</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 12:46:29 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/4284</link>
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