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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Space - Charles Taliaferro responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Can the theory that everything that exists exists in time and space, which is materialism as I understand it, explain how things have motion as well? Motion is not itself a thing that can be located within time and space it is only the word that we apply to the effect of something changing position in a continuous manner. But if the only things which exists exists in time and space what is there to move the things that is in motion? Certainly not something else which is in time and space since that demands as well an explanation for it's movement.
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Response from: Charles Taliaferro<br />

<blockquote>This is a deep question or set of questions!  The history of the philosophy of motion is fascinating as is the general philosophy of space and time.  There are historically significant arguments to the effect that to account for motion in the cosmos, one needs to posit an unmoved mover --God (as developed in the work of Thomas Aquinas in the 13th century).  If you are interested in this line of reasoning, you may wish to take a look at more recent articulations of the cosmological argument: you can find these in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy under 'Cosmological Arguments' and in the entry 'Philosophy of Religion' --entries are free and available online (as this website makes clear).  These entries will speak to your sense that something more is needed to account for space-time as currently conceived.<br><br>There may be two things to keep in mind as you reflect on the philosophy of motion.  First, while motion is not a thing in the sense that it is not a concrete individual object (a rock) it is not is not (necessarily) immaterial (or incompatible with materialism).  Motion seems, rather, closely tied in with time; without time, there would be no motion.  Also, while some do define materialism as the view that everything that exists is in time and space, this is not universally accepted.  Significant philosophers (from the 17th century Cambridge Platonists to <span class="caps">G.E.</span> Moore in the 20th century) thought that certain things are non-physical (sensations, and for the Cambridge Platonists the soul) was spatial but not material.<br><br>You are on to a vital, historically fascinating issue.  Richard Sorabji has published a number of important books that address the rich and creative ways in which motion have been conceived of since Zeno.  A close look at his work will prove (I wager) to be very rewarding!  You may still have questions un-answered but not un-addressed, and Sorabji is brilliant at bringing to light ancient sources that often go overlooked these days.</blockquote> ]]></description>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Perception, Space - Allen Stairs responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Would the idea of 3 dimensional space be possible without vision?
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Response from: Allen Stairs<br />

<blockquote>The answer seems pretty clearly to be yes. Touch and hearing both convey information about dimension. Think, for example, about  the fact that a sound can be above you, or in front, or two the side. Or think of how you could tell that object A is taller than object B, but object B is wider than object A just by using your sense of touch.<br /><br />If you're interested, here's a link to a video about a remarkable Turkish painter, blind from birth but able to convey subtle information about perspective. <br /><br /><br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3AgO6H0H98"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3AgO6H0H98">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3AgO6H0H98<a></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 03:53:40 EST</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Space - Thomas Pogge responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Is it possible for a physical object to be 1-dimensional?
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Response from: Thomas Pogge<br />

<blockquote><p>Is it possible for a physical object to be four-dimensional? This depends a bit on what you mean by a "physical object". But it seems plausible to say that the could be a four-dimensional world with four-dimensional objects in it, and why should we not in talking about such a possible world call such objects physical objects? I would address your question in the same way. There could be a one-dimensional world, and there could be objects in it. Again, it seems plausible to say of these one-dimensional objects that they are the physical objects of that one-dimensional world. But then again, if someone where to feel very strongly that the expression "physical object" should be reserved for three-dimensional objects, I for one would not want to get into a long argument over this point.</p>  <p>Now another question you may have in mind is whether there can be one-dimensional objects in our three-dimensional space. We can certainly describe such objects geometrically, so they are possible in this sense (and, again, the question whether we should call such an object a physical object seems to me to be of little interest). Whether the existence of such objects is consistent with the natural laws of our universe and, if so, whether we could detect them, are different questions which, I think, you are not asking.</p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:20:22 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/3979</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Space, Time - Marc Lange responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Was Zeno unfair toward Achilles in his paradox?<br><br>Last week I was reading the Croatian edition of Bryan Magee’s “The Story of Philosophy” and he reminded me of Zeno’s famous “Achilles and the tortoise” paradox.<br><br>Here is how the paradox goes (taken from Wikipedia):<br>“In the paradox of Achilles and the Tortoise, Achilles is in a footrace with the tortoise. Achilles allows the tortoise a head start of 100 meters. If we suppose that each racer starts running at some constant speed (here instead of ‘one very fast and one very slow’ I would stick to the original: Achilles is twice time faster than the Tortoise), then after some finite time, Achilles will have run 100 meters, bringing him to the tortoise's starting point. During this time, the tortoise has run a much shorter distance, 50 meters. It will then take Achilles some further time to run that distance, by which time the tortoise will have advanced farther; and then more time still to reach this third point, while the tortoise moves ahead. Thus, whenever Achilles reaches somewhere the tortoise has been, he still has farther to go. Therefore, because there are an infinite number of points Achilles must reach where the tortoise has already been, he can never overtake the tortoise.”<br><br>Now, I think that the paradox exists only because Zeno is manipulating with the time-component of his paradox.<br><br>First let’s clarify what Zeno means when he says that Achilles is twice time faster than the Tortoise. If, for example, Achilles runs 100 meter in 10 seconds the Tortoise who is twice time slower than Achilles will run only 50 meters. It is cleat that we cannot talk about the speed without including the time component (speed = distance/time).<br><br>Zeno says that when Achilles reaches the Tortoise's starting point, the Tortoise will be run only 50 meters. This all has happened during certain amount of time (with proposed figurers, after 10 seconds).<br><br>Next, Zeno says “It will then take Achilles some further time to run that distance, by which time the tortoise will have advanced farther”. With the proposed figures that mean that when Achilles runs 150 meters the Tortoise will only reach 75 meters (but it is steal 25 meters ahead because of the head start of 100 meters). However, the second sequence lasts only 5 seconds – if it would last full 10 seconds than Achilles and the Tortoise would be side by side.<br><br>In the third sequence Zeno executes another unmentioned cutting of time – this time he “stops” the race when Achilles reaches 175 meters, while the Tortoise only reaches 87,5 meters. That sequence lasts just 2,5 seconds.<br><br>Just for the fun let’s go further:<br>4th sequence: A= 187,5 meters / T= 93,75 meters / time= 1,25 seconds<br>5th sequence: A= 193,75 meters / T = 96,875 meters / time= 0,625 seconds<br><br>In the last sequence it is like Zeno gives the signal to start the race – and then instantly (after just 0,655 seconds) shouts: ”Stop! Stop! Achilles, please come back. I now you couldn’t stop on time, but the next sequence starts from this point here (with his finger he shows a spot 193,75 meters from the starting point). Now, we can start the 6th sequence…”, which will last only 0,3125 if we wants to prevent Achilles to win the race. [It sounds like Monty Python’s comedy, isn’t it :)]<br><br>So, my conclusion is that Achilles was never given enough time to win the race, or that Zeno was (consciously or not) manipulating “behind the curtains” with the time component of his paradox.<br> <br>I am aware that this paradox is not the only one, but at least here we do not have to use complex mathematics to prove that the sum of 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16... is still 1.<br><br>What do you think?<br><br>Your sincerely.<br><br>Robert <br>Slavonski Brod, CROATIA<br><br>P.S. Sorry for my clumsy English<br>
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Response from: Marc Lange<br />

<blockquote><p>Dear Robert,</p>  <p>You are right. The key to understanding the paradox is that although Achilles must complete an infinite number of tasks in order to catch up to the Tortoise, he can do so in a finite amount of time, since each successive task takes much less time than its predecessor (as you noted). Of course, today we understand how to add an infinite sequence of terms that converge to a finite quantity. But this wasn't well understood until millenia after Zeno -- and the logical foundations for doing so required Cauchy and Weierstrass in the nineteenth century. So we shouldn't be too hard on old Zeno.</p>  <p>By the way, you might find it amusing to consider some more recent Zeno-like puzzles, such as the "New Zeno" discussed by Stephen Yablo in the journal ANALYSIS, vol 60 (April 2000).</p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 16:40:45 EST</pubDate>
		<link>http://www.askphilosophers.org/question/3589</link>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Space - Jasper Reid responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Is it possible to divide something into an infinite amount of parts?
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Response from: Jasper Reid<br />

<blockquote><p>I've nothing against Sean Greenberg's answer, but I figured I'd just add a word or two on a further relevant distinction here. Infinite divisibility is not the same as the possibility of dividing something into infinitely many parts. At least, it doesn't need to be understood in that way. There's a distinction that goes back at least as far as Aristotle, between the actual infinite and potential infinite, and the notion of infinite divisibility can be interpreted in either way. If we interpret infinite divisibility in the sense of the potential infinite (which, for what it's worth, is how Aristotle himself understood -- and endorsed -- the concept), this will mean that, no matter how small something might be, it can still be divided into still smaller parts. You can cut something into two halves, divide each of those to yield four quarters, divide each of these to yield eight eighths, and carry on going without ever needing to stop dividing. Mathematically, there is no greatest power of two: so, no matter how many pieces this process of subdivision has already yielded, there is always the <em>potential</em> for that number to be doubled by further subdivision. But the thing to appreciate is that the number of pieces will always remain <em>finite</em>. Mathematically, there are infinitely many positive integers, but each one of them individually is finite. The whole point about an infinite process is that it can never be completed. The very word suggests this: the prefix 'in' is a negation while the term 'finite' (from the same etymological root as 'finished') indicates a terminus. As Aristotle put it: 'The infinite turns out to be the contrary of what it is said to be. It is not what has nothing outside it that is infinite, but what always has something outside it.' (<em>Physics</em>, 206b34-207a1).</p>  <p>So much for the potential infinite. One might alternatively maintain that it <em>should</em> in principle be possible for an infinite process -- of division, or whatever else it might be -- to be completed. For instance, if one believes that God is actually omnipotent, then He at least ought to be able to divide something infinitely many times. After all, what good is infinite power if it can't be exercised infinitely? Perhaps He makes the second cut half a minute after the first one, makes the third cut a quarter of a minute after that, makes the fourth cut an eighth of a minute later, and so on. Then, after the whole minute has elapsed, His work will be complete. And how many parts will He then have produced? Why, infinitely many of them.</p>  <p>Historically, I think it's fair to say that the notion of infinite divisibility has more frequently been embraced in the potential sense, but there have been a few who've pressed for actual infinite divisibility too. But note that there's a problem arising here, one that doesn't arise under the potential interpretation. I don't say an insurmountable problem, necessarily, but it is one that will certainly need to be addressed. Suppose we do allow a process of infinite division to be actually completed, so as to yield infinitely many parts. Are these parts extended or aren't they? If they have no extension, no size whatsoever, then where did the extension of the original object go? It seems that the bulk of the original object has not merely been dispersed but has actually been annihilated. And that doesn't seem right, that we should be able to annihilate the bulk of something just by moving its parts around. On the other hand, if each of these parts has some extension individually, then it seems that infinitely many of them together must have infinitely much. So, simply by moving the parts of our original object around, we'll have generated an infinite bulk out of a finite one. And that doesn't seem right either. Consequently, many of those who favoured the 'actual' interpretation of the notion of infinite divisibility rejected that notion in favour of a theory of necessarily indivisible atoms. That, I think, is the reason why infinite divisibility has found more support when understood in the 'potential' sense, for there the same problem doesn't arise. Even if there's no limit to the number of parts you can get through division, that number will still be some finite number <em>n</em>, and the size of each one can unproblematically be an <em>n</em>th of the size of the original object.</p></blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:24:05 EST</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Space - Sean Greenberg responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Is it possible to divide something into an infinite amount of parts?
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Response from: Sean Greenberg<br />

<blockquote>It depends on what one means by the 'thing' in question.  According to the principles of geometry, a line is infinitely divisible, although of course it has basic components, points.  But what of ordinary, middle-sized objects, such as tables and chairs?  Certain early modern philosophers, such as Leibniz, believed that material things were not only infinitely divisible, but that they were also actually divided.  (Hence, Leibniz concluded, material things weren't real things, because they lacked what he called a 'true principle of unity', and the only 'real' things were souls, which, being immaterial, could not be infinitely divided.)  In a recent article, "Van Inwagen and the Possibility of Gunk," the metaphysician Ted Sider argues that it is possible that objects in the world are infinitely divisible and even lack basic constituents, like the points of a line.  According to Sider, it is logically possible that the world consists only of 'atomless gunk', that is, "that it divides further into smaller and smaller parts," and, unlike a line, "does not even have atomic parts..._all_ parts of such an object have proper parts.  Now one might think that current physical theory is incompatible with the possibility of what Sider calls 'a gunk world'.  Sider anticipates this objection: "Scientists discovered that hydrogen ‘atoms’ have proper parts. Then they discovered that protons have proper parts. At one point, at least, it was a legitimate scientific hypothesis that this process could go on forever, that there is no end to the world’s complexity. A metaphysical theory should not have the consequence that a legitimate scientific hypothesis is metaphysically impossible.  So we ought to accept the possibility of material objects made of gunk."  I agree with Sider that "a metaphysical theory should not have the consequence that a legitimate scientific hypothesis is metaphysically impossible"; however, it's not clear to me that it is indeed a live scientific hypothesis <em>at this point</em> that everything is subdivisible.  Since I, at least am inclined to take current physical theory as the best guide to understanding the nature of reality--although, of course, this is a controversial assumption--if current scientific theory does not allow for the actual divisibility of things into an infinite number of parts, then I think that the answer to your question is 'no'.  (Of course, to be sure, even if <em>current</em> scientific theory does not allow for a 'gunk world', future discoveries might reveal that it is indeed possible.  In that case, I would of course revise my answer to your question.)</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:24:05 EST</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Space, Time - Charles Taliaferro responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ I have a series of questions about Time, motion, and space.  Or maybe they are the same question expressed different ways in an attempt at clarity.<br><br> Is the concept of "Time" possible apart from the concept of "Change"?  In what ways are the two concepts different?  Is it possible for "Time" to exist apart from "Change"?   Can anything truthful be said about "Time" that does not also apply in an identical way to "Change"?   <br><br>Is "Change" possible without "Motion" of some kind?  If even at an atomic level?<br><br>Could time exist if nothing moved?  How is the concept of time possible without the concept of motion?  How is it in anyway different?<br><br>How can space be conceived apart from the relation we refer to as 'distance' between two or more objects?  If there was only one object in the universe how would space be conceived or possible?  The same question applies to motion, how is it conceivable unless  there is movement in relation to some other body?<br><br>I am not a philosopher.  I'm a high school drop out and construction worker.  However, I can't stop thinking about these questions and I cannot not think of any way that time, space, and motion are in any way different concepts.   I FEEL that they are different, but when I try to THINK about them,  I can't think of them in any way except as identical concepts with different names.   It is like trying to think about the concept of 'elevation' as something distinct from "UP" or "Down".  In fact it's like trying to conceive of "UP" without conceiving of "Down".  It is like Space, Time and Motion are part of a relation whose relating parts are inconceivable except in the terms of the relation itself.    <br><br>I feel I clearly understand the reality in my own mind,  but I am confused because everyone else talks about these things as if they are distinct parts of reality.
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Response from: Charles Taliaferro<br />

<blockquote>You may be a high school drop out, but you have a genius for asking great questions!  Let me try to break up the questions a bit.  There is a difference between motion and change insofar as motion appears to involve physical objects and events.  If there is motion, there is change, but some philosophers have either denied the existence of physical objects or events (some idealists) or they are theists who believe that there was a time when God (an immaterial / non-physical reality) existed and there were no physical objects.  These philosphers would allow that change could exist, but without motion.  In any case, once you have change, you have time, for change presumably involves there being one time when X occurs and then another time when X is not in the same state.  If motion ceased, would time cease?  Not necessarily, if there could be a nonphysical reality (God or souls or...) that change.  But what if all change ceased?  Would time then cease?  Well, if by 'all change' we include 'temporal change' then I suppose the answer would have to be 'yes', but let's refine the question.  Imagine all physical and non-physical (if there are any) realities ceased to involve or undergo any changing states; imagine everthing (as it were) freezes and there is no change in thinking, feeling, breathing etc.  Can we imagine this happening for, say, 10 minutes and then everything starting back up again?  Well, no one would know there had been a 10 gap, and indeed the very idea of there being a gap of 10 minutes as opposed to 9 suggests we can make sense of clock time when there are no changes among any clocks anywhere.  Even so, I think the thought experiment makes some sense, and insofar as it does, then there is some reason to think that time is more basic than non-temporal changes.<br><br>An analogy with space may be useful.  One reason for thinking that space is more than the spatial objects that make up the spatial world is as follows:  Can you imagine everything spatial doubling in size in an instant?  I think one can, though this would be utterly undetected in our experience.  People would still be the same heighth, the moon would still be the same distance from earth according to all our systems of measurement.  Nonetheless, there could be a fact of the matter that every spatial thing doubled.<br><br>Space and time, I suggest may be more fundamental than motion or change.  You may need space and time for there to be motion, as well as change.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 13:11:41 EST</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Mathematics, Space - Donald Baxter responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ It seems obvious that a line of length 4 is longer than a line of length 2; but couldn't we just as easily say that the two lines are equally made up of an infinite number of points?
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Response from: Donald Baxter<br />

<blockquote>You are right that the points in a 4 inch line segment can be put into one-to-one correspondence with the points in a 2 inch line segment. Think of a line swinging through both line segments, the way a door swings through a shorter path nearer its hinge and a longer path further from the hinge. The swinging line matches any point in one with a point in the other.  Therefore, they have the same number of points--an infinite number. However, that is not a strike against the claim that the line segments have different lengths. The points are dimensionless, and the length of a line segment is not a function of the number of its dimensionless points. So the 4 inch line segment is still twice the length of the other.</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:36:19 EST</pubDate>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Space, Time - Donald Baxter responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Doesn't time travel involve space travel too? If I travel back in time one year, say, in order to be in the same 'place' as I started, I'd need to travel across countless millions of miles of space, since the planet has moved during the last year. Since such instant space travel contradicts Einstein, how come so many philosophers seem to think it's possible?<br><br>Martin, Wales, UK
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Response from: Donald Baxter<br />

<blockquote>Nice conundrum. Here is a stab at it. If, in the example, time travel is traveling back one year of time in an instant of another time dimension--call it metatime--then Einstein has not been contradicted. He is silent about how much space can be covered in an instant of metatime. So time travel, conceived this way could be possible even given our actual laws of nature, if there is metatime.  If, however, there is no metatime, then traveling back in time would be a case in which what would normally be a later stage of one's life occurs before what would normally be an earlier stage (see David Lewis, "The Paradoxes of Time Travel"). For this to be possible, the laws of nature would already have to be different than ours in such a way as to also allow that what would normally be the very next stage in ones' life occur far away from the current stage. If it is conceivable that the laws of nature be different than what they actually are then time travel would be conceptually possible. And this is the sense of 'possible' most philosophers appeal to in saying that time travel is possible. In other words, it is conceptually possible that something happen that contradicts Einstein.</blockquote> ]]></description>
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		<title><![CDATA[ Question about Space, Time - Jonathan Westphal responds]]></title>
		<description><![CDATA[ Doesn't time travel involve space travel too? If I travel back in time one year, say, in order to be in the same 'place' as I started, I'd need to travel across countless millions of miles of space, since the planet has moved during the last year. Since such instant space travel contradicts Einstein, how come so many philosophers seem to think it's possible?<br><br>Martin, Wales, UK
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Response from: Jonathan Westphal<br />

<blockquote>You make a very interesting point. If time travel takes a second, then since a later Earth - say Earth in a year - might be zillions of miles away (i.e. more than 186,000), I must travel faster than light, which is impossible. But how long does my time travel take? How do we know that it takes a second? After all, if on the new or later Earth it is a year later, presumably it took me a year to get "there", the same amount of time as it took the Earth itself, even if it felt instantaneous. So there is a difficulty about the meaning of "How long does my time travel take?" If we move in time, or times moves past us, there is a difficulty about the concept of the speed of the movement. Movement in space is distance divided by time, so movement in time, or the movement of time, it seems, is time divided by time; and it is hard (as <span class="caps">D.C.</span> Williams pointed out ages ago in "The Myth of Passage") to attach any sense to this idea. This is the interest of your point for me; how do we attach sense to the speed of time travel? In what reference frame does it take place?</blockquote> ]]></description>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:34:08 EST</pubDate>
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